Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/War crimes in Manchukuo (2nd nomination)

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Mdaniels5757 (talk) 22:29, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

War crimes in Manchukuo

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I feel that this article should be deleted for several reasons. First of all, no book has ever been written specifically on Japanese war crimes in Manchukuo, which calls into question whether it is a good subject for an article. Though the article does list crimes, some of these crimes didn't take place in Manchukuo, such as the use of chemical weapons, and some were arguably not "war" crimes because (1.) Manchukuo itself was not a war zone when the crimes were taking place and because (2.) some of these crimes, like the drug trafficking for example, didn't begin during a war. It's good that we have articles on Unit 731 and Khabarovsk War Crime Trials, but neither of these things is clearly distinguishable as relating to the specific subject of "war crimes in Manchukuo". Finally, note that the last time this article was nominated for deletion[1], 5 supported and only 1 opposed (which was inexplicably deemed "no consensus". Hko2333 (talk) 15:35, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep The topic is notable. For example, see Manchuria, Japanese war crimes in in the Encyclopedia of War Crimes and Genocide. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:42, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Query. Surely the fact that there were several notable war crimes trials related to crimes committed in Manchukuo implies the notability of the crimes themselves in some sense? –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 03:29, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep meets GNG. b uidhe 08:17, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep obviously, per Andrew Davidson's link to a reliable tertiary source that has a detailed entry on the subject and the need for an overall summary of the activities of Unit 731 and the affiliated prison units, along with US cover-up of the crimes, Soviet war crimes trials etc. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:57, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The article cited by Andrew could be justification to merge this article with Unit 731. Note that the article cited by Andrew describes one and only one war crime committed in Manchukuo, the development of biological weapons at Unit 731. Literally the entire article deals exclusively with Unit 731. On this basis, we could argue that the two topics are identical and thus merge them.Hko2333 (talk) 15:04, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The war crimes trials related to Japanese war crimes. There were no war crimes trials specifically for "war crimes in Manchukuo", so it seems like an arbitrary category.Hko2333 (talk) 15:06, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There were no warcrimes trials specifically for the Holocaust in Slovakia, guess that article should be deleted too. b uidhe 09:43, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The bibliography of that article suggests, however, that books have been written on the Holocaust in Slovakia. By contrast, no books have ever been written on war crimes in Manchukuo. It's true that one short article has been published on the subject, but that article mentions only one war crime, Unit 731, so why not merge then? War crimes in Manchukuo is a topic akin to, say, War criminals from Texas. It's true that we could make a Wikipedia article by compiling information on all the war criminals who happened to come from Texas, but should we? Since no book has discussed war criminals from Texas as a discrete category, why not include the information in other articles? Hko2333 (talk) 19:52, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.