Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wailing woman

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The result was keep‎. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 17:48, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Appears to be OR; I can't find mention of this term in any scholarly musical journals; appears to be a trope in legends or mythical stories, nothing related to music. Sourcing used is iffy, most don't appear RS. Oaktree b (talk) 04:50, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Oaktree b (talk) 04:50, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: As someone who created that article, I may be biased. But I still do believe that the article is reasonably and sufficiently sourced. Of course, it isn't an A+ plus article when it comes to sources, but then again more sources will come as the article is still in its infancy stages. The Google Books source on the page is reliable and somewhat academic, and should be accepted. About "nothing related to music", that is agreeable. Maybe we should, instead, link the article to film, fads and/or pop culture wiki projects (if not music). You are right that its foundation isn't based on music theory, so maybe we should place it under the WikiProject Film project. - Yucalyptus (talk) 06:58, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Wikipedia articles are nearly always about topics rather than terms. In this case the particular expression "wailing woman" is not importent because the topic is "glossolalia in women's singing in a dramatic context". If you want a scholarly musical journal (and there is no need whatever for one) here is an example.[1] I found all but three references to be reliable (as well as in depth and on topic). Two are "in passing" and one is somewhat off topic. I can't find a trace of WP:Original research. Thincat (talk) 14:14, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:22, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Disambiguate I suspect the fairly common folklore trope is probably the primary topic here. Do we disambiguate when the main topic is still a redlink?--Licks-rocks (talk) 12:53, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We do have an article on La Llorona and a disambiguation page. Is that what you are thinking of? That seems to be an entirely different topic but, in that context, there could be additional disambiguation. Thincat (talk) 15:12, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I was thinking about pointing to Banshee via similar logic, but yes. (Yours does score a bit more hits when you look up "wailing woman" on scholar though.) There also seems to be a tradition in Yemen and Israel under that name, and it seems to occasionally be used to describe Egyptian paid mourners. --Licks-rocks (talk) 16:11, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 09:20, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. With the available texts from searching the google book sources, the concept seems to have been elaborated on in those sources. The article certainly needs improvement, but it does seem to pass WP:GNG. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 22:53, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.