Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vrillon hoax incident

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep or "nomination withdrawn", take your pick. The issue of renaming can continue on the article's talk page. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:11, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Vrillon hoax incident (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

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The article appears to exist to promote the site http://www.vrillon.com/. The claimed broadcast interruption did not occur and fake mp3 files and video files are, in fact, obvious fakes if anyone takes the time to examine them. There are no newspaper archives that have any record of the incident occurring in 1977. The International UFO Reporter article in 1997 debunked the idea of Ashtar Command but did not confirm that the broadcast incident ever happened. All sources previously added to the article have been self published (failing WP:SPS) or circular re-iterations of the same web-only cut&paste fake transcript. Wikipedia does not exist to promote fake websites or falsify the existence of incidents that never happened, including hoaxes that never actually occurred. This article fails WP:MADEUP and should be deleted (unless anyone seriously thinks Wikipedia would benefit from a Vrillon hoax incident hoax article).—Ash (talk) 11:19, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Question Times and Guardian are listed as references to the hoax. Are the article references made up? If so then Delete and pursue editor for bad-faith editing. If not then Keep as RSes exist.Simonm223 (talk) 14:34, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The sources are not made up; they are merely those which have digital archives and therefore could be found in a few minutes. There are definitely more in printed, non-electronic archives because I have come across them while looking for something else. Sam Blacketer (talk) 15:02, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per a cleanup done in the minutes that followed this nomination. All references to www.vrillion.com have been removed. -- Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 14:49, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep No problem with sources and this is a topic some people might be interested in finding out about.Borock (talk) 15:50, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - Event in question definitely occurred
• Keep Reliable sources make this a notable hoax. And I seriously do think that Wikipedia should have pages on notable hoaxes. Silurian King (talk) 17:11, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep It cites reliable sources, so unless those sources are fake cites, the article should stay as a notable hoax event. Ashtar Galactic Command is also up for AfD, and I recommended merging it into this article.--Milowent (talk) 16:20, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - The event in question definitely occurred and it received substantial media coverage at the time, which meets WP:N. Grandmartin11 (talk) 21:25, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - Perhaps this AFD can have an early close based on the new sources added and a potential rename to something like 1977 Southern Television alien hoax as discussed on the talk page, as the sources do not mention "Vrillon".—Ash (talk) 23:09, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I concur with the above, works for me.Simonm223 (talk) 02:19, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep and rename Deconstructhis (talk) 06:34, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep reliable sources, factual article. Bonusballs (talk) 18:39, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Question: is the nominator saying the hoax is itself a hoax? i.e., the hoax never occurred? Bwrs (talk) 22:05, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not any more now sources have been found, added to the article and discussed at length on the talk page (see Talk:Vrillon_hoax_incident#Did_this_event_ever_happen_or_was_it_just_made_up_one_day?) and as commented on this page 5 paragraphs up from this sentence. As mentioned on the talk page, the name "Vrillon" is likely to based on a recent fake transcript of the broadcast and is not supported by any reliable sources though the 1977 hoax broadcast is.—Ash (talk) 22:09, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep A very interesting story. The name "Vrillon" probably is derived from "Ivor Mills", the broadcaster who was interrupted. Keraunos (talk) 08:16, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I agree with rename the proposal. Grandmartin11 (talk) 16:28, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.