Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vote counting in the Philippines

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The result was keep. -- RoySmith (talk) 22:46, 19 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Vote counting in the Philippines

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This is wholesale copy and paste from Philippine general election, 2016#Counting machines, as apparently that section was overly detailed. If {{PanchoS}}, who, in the reversion of my edit removing the cleanup tag there, said that "these (or other) machines were already used in 2013." even read what he copied, he should've read the following: "On August 13, the commission agreed to lease 94,000 new OMR machines for 7.9 billion pesos, while the old machines used for 2010 and 2013 elections would be used for the 2019 elections."

As for the introduction "that goes back to 2010", when it was originally written, the scope of the section was on how these machines were acquired for 2016. For some reason, something about 2010 made its way to the article, for reasons I dunno. As that subsection was well within the scope of the article, which was about the election in the Philippines that happened in May 9, 2016, it makes no sense to wholesale copy and paste the section to a new article (this one), and hope someone writes something about the 2010 and 2013 elections. Acquiring these machines is as important in the preparation (of which this is a subsection of) as the other things that were being done such as voter and candidate registration, which are also described in the article.

If someone can guarantee me that sections about 2010 and 2013 will be written on this article in the near future, I'd gladly rescind this AFD, but as it stands, this is completely redundant to the subsection linked above. –H T D 17:06, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:17, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Philippines-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:17, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Howard the Duck: Stop your continued disparaging rants. As I told you, this is a proper WP:SPLIT from Philippine general election, 2016#Counting machines, with initial, basic attribution being given in the edit summary. Following your PROD, I informed you about this and the proper (although optional) attribution badge I had added to the talk page in the meantime. So your continued titling as a "wholesale copy and paste" stinks a bit.
Now to the facts. Philippine general election, 2016#Counting machines is the right place for an overview of all relevant events that are related to the 2016 election. It however isn't the best place for intricate details about old and new counting machines, their leasing contracts and the whole background of electronic vote counting in the Philippines. Splitting the article allows focussing the election article on the actually relevant events, which may include new procedures and widely covered problems with the new machines, but not the whole context of voting machines on the Philippines. Splitting the article also helped produce a halfway acceptable article on the general topic of Vote counting in the Philippines which can (and should) be further improved, expanded and linked by future election articles. Instead of producing wastelands of one-off content, we're trying to condense content on specific topics. Finally, that's what a Wiki is all about. --PanchoS (talk) 17:56, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm sorry for calling your wholesale copy and paste edit as a wholesale copy and paste edit.
- As for details on how these are acquired; for each and every election since 2010, the reliable sources cover this acquisition of voting machines. It may not be the most exciting part of the election, but we have sources to back these up. This is done in every election, just like voter and candidate registration, results and aftermath, of which we have sections about. This is indeed, in your words, a "one-off" event; now, on whether the commission would use these machines in the future, we'd discuss that in an article about the future election, just as we'd be discussing voter and candidate registration, and everything else that's done in an election.
- As for WP:SPLIT: This was done, and I'm sorry if this offends you, and if this comes of as a "rant", wrongly. If this was a split, this would've went to a more "specific" article, like "Vote counting in the Philippine general election, 2016". As it is, the split is for a more general article, with no guarantee that similar content for what happened in 2010 and 2013 will be added. I know Wikipedia is not finished, but that's not how split works.
- Again, that section isn't about "Vote counting in the Philippines" in the same way that the "Voter registration" section is about "Voter registration in the Philippines" (from 1907 until now). It is about "Counting machines" in the 2016 election.
- As the article stands, it's redundant, with no guarantee of expansion, unless copying and pasting is expansion. –H T D 18:24, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Again, there is an added benefit to have all information about Vote counting in the Philippines collected in a single place, where it may be linked from more general articles such as Elections in the Philippines or Vote counting, or from future Philippine election articles. I agree that there is still much to be merged in from the 2010 and 2013 elections, as well as the pre-electronic voting period. But IMHO that doesn't invalidate the fairly decent start. Now let others decide, instead of exchanging further spiteful remarks. --PanchoS (talk) 20:10, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Yellow Dingo (talk) 10:00, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per improvements to the article by PanchoS and WP:HEY. An alternative would be to merge this back to Philippine general election, 2016 § Counting machines. Regardless, deletion of this content from the encyclopedia would make no sense. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:11, 16 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep but (a lot) more work needs to be done re WP:SPLIT and WP:SUMMARY on the split and main/s. Aoziwe (talk) 14:55, 18 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Re @Northamerica1000:, @Aoziwe:: No content would be deleted, they'd just be merged back... actually there's nothing to merge as these are all direct copy-paste of prose from the respective general election articles. Unless the creator of this article blanked the pertinent sections on the general election articles (I haven't checked). –H T D 17:21, 18 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

When I last looked there seemed to be too much detail in the parent article and the new split main/s needed to be double checked that they had all the detail and there needed to be better summarisation in the parent article with less detail. Aoziwe (talk) 11:47, 19 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as there's enough here to suggest its own acceptable article. SwisterTwister talk 06:26, 19 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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