Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vivian Burey Marshall

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The result was keep. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 16:09, 1 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Vivian Burey Marshall

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Notability is not inherited. There is nothing in the article that passes WP:GNG. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 00:01, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 00:04, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 00:04, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I've improved the article with more information and citations. Burey receives significant discussion in biographies of Thurgood Marshall, as they were married for 25 years, including the time when he presided over the historic Brown v. Board of Education case.[1][2] Burey's life portrayed in the 2017 movie Marshall (film) where Burey is played by Keesha Sharp. I believe the combination of significant discussion in books, along with being portrayed as a main character in a movie, satisfies WP:GNG. Lonehexagon (talk) 19:09, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Thurgood Marshall. The subject does not appear to be known for anything other than marrying a notable person. While it's nice she has an academic program named in her honor, it was established 60 years after her death, so she had no role in its establishment. If reliable sources only or primarily mention her in biographies of Marshall, than so should Wikipedia. --Animalparty! (talk) 07:24, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - as a black American woman of the 1950s, her role was not always publicized or published. However considering the context of the time period and how often she is referenced today, many years later, that is notable. She was an important factor not only in her husband, Thurgood Marshall's successes but also in the Brown v. Board of Education decision. Now I understand this is not a typical framing of notability, but with some more writing and citations this article will be improved. We should keep this article because of WP:NOTINHERITED - she has lots of sources, and she is notable in her own right. Jooojay (talk) 21:44, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Jooojay: she gets coverage only in relation to her notable husband, not in her own right. Wikipedia is not the place to right great wrongs of past lack of coverage. From this article, Mrs Marshall did nothing more than be born, go to school, marry a man, support him, have some miscarriages, and die. There are probably more verifiable but ultimately un-encyclopedic details to be gleaned from Thurgood biographies (her favorite color? What she wore on her first date with Thurgood?) but Wikipedia would be the worse for including such sentimental fluff. She played an important part of Thurgood's life, and so she should be mentioned in Marshall's biography as appropriate. We need not, and should not, have articles of the non-notable spouses of every notable person, merely because we feel they should get more attention than history has given. --Animalparty! (talk) 22:24, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Animalparty: please realize that she has her own citations too. I agree that this article can be improved, but to assume her un-notable based on a stub that needs improvement seems unnecessary. Jooojay (talk) 22:34, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per substantial coverage in reliable independent sources. She was a major part of Thurgood Marshall's lifr from his college days to the historic Brown v. board of Ed. Supreme Court decision. As an nfluential figure in the life of one of the most important lawyers and jurists in U.S. history, as well as for her own work and accomplishments she is notable. Dismissive and ultimately sexist comments notwithstanding, she is an important figure in American history and was a pivotal figure in the American Civil Rights movement. FloridaArmy (talk) 22:31, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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