Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vivacious (drag queen)

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The result was delete and redirect to RuPaul's Drag Race (season 6). Most of the keep !votes are WP:ILIKEIT or WP:ITSNOTABLE, without giving any policy-based arguments. Randykitty (talk) 17:38, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Vivacious (drag queen)

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Non-notable outside of being a contestant on a reality show. --woodensuperman 12:19, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 12:48, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete (or possibly merge to season 12 of the show they starred in). No WP:SIGCOV of Vivacious found in my WP:BEFORE as such, just the show they starred in. FOARP (talk) 12:53, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per GNG. Also, nominating editor should know the page should be redirected, not deleted, if the subject is not independently notable. But I believe there's sufficient secondary coverage. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 20:44, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Note to closing admin. I'm a little concerned by this edit. I know it's not exactly WP:CANVASSING, but notifying a small group of fans of the show could certainly lead to WP:VOTESTACKING and skew the discussion. --woodensuperman 13:59, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  Woodensuperman, I understand your concerns about canvassing, but simply posting links to AfD pages at a relevant WikiProject should not be problematic, especially when WikiProject RuPaul's Drag Race members have been perfectly willing to vote merge/redirect in past discussions (see example1 and example2). I think you should actually assume good faith and welcome editors most familiar with the subjects to participate in the ongoing discussions, thanks. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 13:49, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep This person has done other notable things such as multiple other TV appearances/web series and released music. Another pointless afd. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C5D:5880:38:493D:61A8:1FF0:E605 (talk) 17:52, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep appears to satisfy WP:GNG with consistent coverage over a decently long period of time. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 21:21, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, this satisfies notability and the article is well sourced. Ikjbagl (talk) 23:50, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, article needs some improvement but otherwise meets notability guidelines Supervegan (talk) 13:38, 3 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, has taken her new platform and run with it. Was a legend in NYC for years and now known worldwide.Bouncehoper (talk) 20:05, 3 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Folks, I get that you're passionate about this subject, but none of you have cited any instances of significant coverage in reliable, independent sources of Vivacious specifically. Everything in the article, and everything I saw in my own search, either wasn't significant coverage, or wasn't an independent reliable source. FOARP (talk) 16:12, 4 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I think there is too much information on the subject's page related to Drag Race. Please see my recommendation at Talk:Vivacious_(drag_queen)#shorten_drag_race_section and comment. Ikjbagl (talk) 00:40, 5 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete then redirect to RuPaul's Drag Race (season 6) per nom and WP:NACTOR. It's pretty clear that this person doesn't have independent notability separate from the show, based on WP:BEFORE and the provided references. - GretLomborg (talk) 15:18, 9 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  She was on more than 1 show, so that statement alone is wrong, plus she passes the NACTOR. - 2600:6C5D:5880:38:493D:61A8:1FF0:E605

Sorry, but just have a role on multiple shows is not enough. Per the guideline an actor needs multiple "significant roles." Being a contestant on two iterations of the same reality TV show, and being a "backup dancer" in a couple other shows doesn't meet that standard. - GretLomborg (talk) 18:21, 9 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - then redirect, despite the complete lack of comprehension by the keep fan !votes above. No notability except in relation to the show. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 00:06, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep it's look like notable, but need to fix the article problems, too.Forest90 (talk) 01:12, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete At first I was surprised when I did a quick google search for Osmond Vacious when I found a few results. These results however did not actually seem to be meeting WP:GNG because all of the results were lists of facts with the same picture of her; one result even briefly spoke about her zodiac sign and astrology. This is all not to mention the fact that I had to search "Osmond Vacious" because "Vivacious" didn't show anything relating to this topic.Grapefruit17 (talk) 01:35, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Many sources don't mention drag queens' real names, in this case Osmond Vacious. No, searching "Vivacious" by itself won't help, but adding "drag queen", "drag race", or "Club Kid" will narrow down results. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 21:45, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete I'm satisfied that fails WP:GNG. --SalmanZ (talk) 18:55, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  That is incorrect, she passes NACTOR. - 2600:6C5D:5880:38:493D:61A8:1FF0:E605

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