Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Virgil John Tangborn

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The result was delete. Vanamonde (Talk) 11:54, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Virgil John Tangborn

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. A recipient of the Silver Star is far below WP's notability standards. Lettler^{hello • contribs} 00:46, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Lettler^{hello • contribs} 00:46, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Lettler^{hello • contribs} 00:46, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Lettler^{hello • contribs} 00:46, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete fails WP:BASIC a person's unpublished journal doesn't establish notability. Mztourist (talk) 08:13, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep There exist two published memoirs written by the late Wendell Tangborn, American glaciologist, which are Appointment in Amfreville: A Memoir of Virgil Tangborn (Aug 18, 2016) and Wartime Journal: A Memoir of Virgil Tangborn (1938-1944) (Dec 21, 2017). Both are currently available in Kindle editions from amazon.com, and I suggest anyone voting to "Delete" might first spend the nominal sum and time to read one prior to making their marks of deprecation, or even thinking of casting aspersions. I would suggest that a person who thinks that "the Silver Star is far below WP's notability standards" should reconsider the value of both sacrificing one's life and future for one's country, and in helping to save France and the world from Facism. When a statue, such as that honoring Virgil John Tangborn and his three compratriots—"Les Quatre Braves" or "The Four Braves" memorial, dedicated June 4, 2000 in Périers, France—is constructed in honor of those people belittling this hero's contribution to mankind, I might tend more to lend an ear to either their criticisms of the merit this brave heart, or to their ponderous deliberations as to whether Tangborn deserves a few small words of respect in this "most high" Wikipedia.ELApro (talk) 13:14, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- According to your sentimental argument, my two relatives that served in the Red Army and died on the Eastern Front should have their own articles, despite them having no historical significance. After all, they sacrificed their lives and futures for their country and helped to save the world from fascism, right? Lettler^{hello • contribs} 16:34, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - ELApro two books written by his brother can't be regarded as reliable sources. It's not clear who published either book and I assume they were self-published. The Silver Star does not satisfy #1 of WP:ANYBIO. In relation to the monument, it seems that it was a memorial project by the 90th Division and so I don't see that it counts towards his notability. Mztourist (talk) 06:08, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete It would more useful to write about the statue and fold him in there.Nwhyte (talk) 21:08, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep WP:ANYBIO Silver Star for gallantry - very prestigious award that has only been awarded to a little over 100k individuals out of the many millions who have fought for the US. The man is memorialized in a sculpture. we keep such subjects that easily pass ANYBIO. photo on commons Lightburst (talk) 19:05, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A few newspaper articles that I have found so far. One, Two. Lightburst (talk) 19:21, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Silver Star does not satisfy #1 of ANYBIO. One newspaper story about the statue, one about his Silver Star don't satisfy notability. Mztourist (talk) 05:45, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Good grief, a single Silver Star? By this rationale, are all 100K Silver Star recipients to have an article? Per Nwhyte, if the monument is notable, this could be a redirect to that article, but there is no way this guy meets ANYBIO. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 10:10, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- And also remember that that's only the US. If we added articles for every other recipient of a ~~second~~third-level decoration worldwide (e.g. the Military Cross), that would add millions. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:26, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

user:Necrothesp The argument which says, we cannot keep this because if we do, we have to create that, does not compute. And if someone creates a sculpture with your likeness and places it in a public space, I will ivote keep on an article about you. We have room, WP:NOTPAPER. Lightburst (talk) 13:47, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Odd, given your main argument seems to be that he's notable because he was awarded the Silver Star, which you say is a "very prestigious award". Which surely means that everyone else awarded a third-level decoration is also worthy of an article, given that is indeed the only reason he's notable. However, we have deleted many articles on people only notable for being awarded a second- or third-level decoration, so there is great precedent for doing so. Les Quatre Braves is not a memorial to him specifically; it's a memorial to his division. The fact the sculptor chose to depict his likeness is really neither here nor there. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:54, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. A soldier who was killed and won a second-level decoration. I'm afraid that's not sufficient for notability. Millions of others worldwide would fit into this category. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:27, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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