Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vahdam Teas

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The result was delete. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:24, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:CORPDEPTH and WP:ORGIND. scope_creep^Talk 08:21, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 08:33, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 08:33, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• The contents of this page does not intend to promote or publicize the entity or product by any means. Every word in the content is absolutely true and authentic and backed by articles published. There is no promotional material at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Naman2685 (talk • contribs) 08:56, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Can you tell why you think this it is notable, when there is a billion tea companies, they are countless. What makes this special? scope_creep^Talk 00:30, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak Delete: Being a chai-nnoisseur, I admit I hadn't heard of this brand. But I looked it up and the only proper, independent and reliable source I can find is this recent Forbes story, where a note at the bottom says it appears in the print edition, which I know is held to a higher standard and fact-checking than a stray online story. This Economic Times story introduces it as "premium tea brand" and says it's present in US and Europe, but is probably from a press release? so a primary source?? There are many other similar stories, but nothing approaching the depth of the Forbes one. More experienced editors in this field need to take a call, but this might possibly be a case of WP:TOOSOON. If they think Forbes source is enough, along with funding stories etc., it may well be kept. What the company is doing looks interesting, and if gets deleted now, I think months or a year or two down the line, I see no reason why it wouldn't get an article after more quality sources have reported on it independently. (No prejudice agains its good-faith creation). MaysinFourty (talk) 07:27, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Forbes is deprecated. The second ref company announcements fails WP:CORPDEPTH such as standard notices, brief announcements, and routine coverage, such a such as of a capital transaction, such as raised capital scope_creep^Talk 07:46, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

All the references fail to satisfy WP:CORPDEPTH, never mind WP:ORGIND explicitly. scope_creep^Talk 07:48, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Many Thanks @Scoop Creep for your clarifications on this. The point I want to make here is that within the span of 5 years the company has done some great notable works and achievements which I will share here, and in context to WP:CORPDEPTH also, even though there are countless tea companies.

1. On 15th January 2020, VAHDAM®️ was awarded the ‘Global SMB of the Year’ at the ‘Amazon Smbhav Event' personally by JEFF BEZOS, Founder of Amazon.^[1]

Non-notable award. of non-notable awards received by the organization, its people, or products, Fails WP:CORPDEPTH scope_creep^Talk 10:48, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

2. It is also the only Indian brand ever to be featured in ‘OPRAH’S FAVOURITE THINGS’ two years in a row (2018 & 2019) ^[2] . It also featured on extremely popular 'Ellen Degeneres Show'^[3] in the US in Feb, 2020 and has also partnered with the pop diva, Mariah Carey.^[4]

These are WP:PROMOTIONAL references and fail WP:ORGIND and WP:CORPDEPTH and WP:NOTADVERTISEMENT. scope_creep^Talk 10:48, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

3. VAHDAM, a INR 100-crore brand now, has also been featured on National Television in the USA including Good Morning America and View Your Deal.^[5]

This is an advertisement and is non-RS per WP:NOTADVERTISEMENT. scope_creep^Talk 10:48, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

4. The founder, Bala Sarda, has been featured on the Forbes 30 Under 30 (Asia), Entrepreneur 35 Under 35 & Business World 40 Under 40 List and was recently awarded the Entrepreneur of the year (FMCG,) 2020 by Entrepreneur India.^[6]

That is deprecated source. X of Y articles are ultra-low quality sources and have been deprecated by Reliable Sources. The award is non-notable. Fails WP:CORPDEPTH. of non-notable awards received by the organization, its people, or products,

5. Vahdam Teas being featured by almost every prominent publisher, in their 2019 Reccomended Things or Annual Gift Guide! (A few links below)

Forbes https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbes-personal-shopper/2019/12/15/best-gifts-under-50/#15a7f887182d

Its deprecated and is non-RS. scope_creep^Talk 10:55, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Pop Sugar https://www.popsugar.com/fitness/photo-gallery/46876667/image/46877271/Vahdam-Turmeric-Herbal-Tea-Assorted-Gift-Set

Pop Sugar https://www.popsugar.com/smart-living/photo-gallery/46869582/image/46873491/Vahdam-Turmeric-Herbal-Tea-Assorted-Gift-Set

Good Housekeeping https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/holidays/gift-ideas/g4079/last-minute-holiday-gifts/?slide=22

Best Products https://www.bestproducts.com/eats/drinks/g25617429/delicious-chai-tea-brands/

Motherly https://www.mother.ly/shop/holidays-shopping-guides/new-year-resolutions-product-guide?rebelltpage=13#rebelltitem13

Esquire https://www.esquire.com/lifestyle/g1349/cheap-gifts-under-25/?slide=7

The Epoch Times https://www.theepochtimes.com/6-food-gift-ideas-for-mom-this-mothers-day_2891084.html

Food & Wine https://www.foodandwine.com/holidays-events/gift-basket-holiday-gift-ideas

Romper https://www.romper.com/p/12-gifts-under-15-that-are-perfect-for-literally-anyone-on-your-list-19279865

Prevention https://www.prevention.com/life/g29628441/best-gifts-for-hostess/

Town & Country Mag https://www.townandcountrymag.com/style/home-decor/g29726896/weekly-covet-november-8-2019/

Harpers Bazaar https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/travel-dining/g8143/best-food-gifts/?slide=20

Martha Stewart https://www.marthastewart.com/1095618/your-one-stop-holiday-gift-guide-parents-laws

Harpers Bazaar https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/travel-dining/g8143/best-food-gifts/?slide=21

Pure Wow https://www.purewow.com/wellness/gifts-for-people-who-are-always-cold

The Strategist https://nymag.com/strategist/article/gifts-for-astrology-lovers-astrologers.html

Best Products https://www.bestproducts.com/eats/food/g2079/tasty-food-gifts-for-foodies/

The Kitchn https://www.thekitchn.com/oprah-favorite-things-2019-food-22968474

CNET https://www.cnet.com/news/oprahs-favorite-things-amazon-2019/

INSIDER https://www.insider.com/oprah-favorite-things-list-holiday-gift-ideas-2019-11

FOX Business https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/oprahs-favorite-things-under-50

These are all advertisements and fails WP:NOTADVERTISEMENT. scope_creep^Talk 10:55, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

6. COVID Initiatives - Tea Estate Workers Relief Fund By Vahdam Teas ^[7],

$100,000 interest-free loan programme to help partner tea estates ^[8]

standard notices, brief announcements, and routine coverage, such as: of a capital transaction, such as raised capital Fails WP:CORPDEPTH

7. Vahdam Teas is also a certified Climate Neutral and Plastic Neutral brand. It measures its overall carbon and plastic footprint ; offsets it through investing in pro-environmental initiatives or funding the removal of an equivalent amount of plastic from the environment; and also learning how to reduce the brand’s overall footprint.

A good thing, but not an indication of notability.

8. The Founder Bala Sarda has been featured on many of the world's top Business Information and Publishing web portals. (Some References herewith)

https://medium.com/@balasarda/highlights

NON-RS per WP:NOT as it is user-generated.

https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/289258

An interview by the founder. Not a BLP article.

https://www.thequint.com/news/world/meet-5-indians-on-forbes-30-under-30-asia-list

Non-RS. Has been deprecated. Never use Forbes. It is ultra-low quality junk.

https://www.vccircle.com/tag/bala-sarda/all

Fails WP:CORPDEPTH of a capital transaction, such as raised capital,

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tea-entrepreneur-brews-a-revolution-h0vrjqkdx

Another interview style reference in the Times.

I believe the references mentioned here are seemingly enough to prove the Brand and CEO's Notability. On the other hand one of the similar Brand Teabox has the wiki article page without much references.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Naman2685 (talk • contribs)

All the references are a mix of raw advertisements, press releases, corporate endorsements, Non-RS and deprecated sources that fails WP:CORPDEPTH, WP:ORGIND, WP:NOT and WP:NOTADVERTISEMENT. They are all dependent and are typical of a company that is advertising heavily and using PR to push its brand. No actual sources have been presented. scope_creep^Talk 10:58, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nomination. User:scope_creep is also right about that Forbes article. As explained at WP:RSP, Forbes' reliability is effectively two-tier: staff articles at Forbes are reliable, but "guest" articles are definitely not. The rest of the coverage demonstrate only that the company has worked very hard to get itself mentioned as widely as possible, but there's definitely a lack of significant, independent coverage per WP:CORPDEPTH etc. For notability we need quality, not quantity: see WP:NOTEBOMB for more about that. Captain Calm (talk) 12:16, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete appears to fail WP:CORPDEPTH. Could not find anything that isn't shourced off press releases. – SD0001 (talk) 05:48, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Completely failing to understand what is considered ‘notable’ since none of this is being considered worthy enough.

1. A standalone Forbes feature which was a part of the COVER story and was a print edition as well - not being considered notable.(Wikipedia clearly mentions that’ Articles that have also been published in the print edition of Forbes are excluded, and are considered generally reliable)

2. The founder being featured on the Forbes 30 under 30 Asia list - not being considered notable(the Wikipedia page of Forbes says that ‘The magazine is well known for its lists and rankings’ and still this is not being considered notable).

3. VAHDAM Teas has been mentioned in the wikipedia page of the founder, Bala Sarda’s College, Shaheed Sukhdev College of Business Studies- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaheed_Sukhdev_College_of_Business_Studies - Not being considered?

4. Wikipedia itself has a page for ‘Oprah’s favorite Things and VAHDAM has been featured 2 years in a row on ‘Oprah’s Favorite Things’ - not being considered notable.

5. The founder being personally awarded ‘Global SMB of the year’ on behalf of VAHDAM Teas by Jeff Bezos, the richest man on earth and founder of one of the most valued companies in the world, Amazon - not being considered notable.

6. VAHDAM has been mentioned twice by People Magazine which is considered a reliable source on wikipedia (https://people.com/celebrity/mariah-carey-holiday-gift-guide-amazon/)

7. VAHDAM has been mentioned by Buzzfeed which is considered a reliable source on wikipedia (https://www.buzzfeed.com/asiawmclain/35-awesome-mothers-day-gifts-that-are-100-quarantine)

8. VAHDAM has a full article on Bloomberg which is considered a reliable source on Wikipedia (https://www.bloomberg.com/press-releases/2018-10-01/vahdam-teas-the-fastest-growing-premium-tea-brand-raises-us-2-5-million-in-series-b-funding

9. 10. VAHDAM is a certified carbon neutral brand. The certification has been awarded by an independent body - Climate Neutral and visible on their website - https://www.climateneutral.org/brand/vahdam-teas

A similar company Teabox has its page on Wikipedia and it has been backed by references only from the following publications - telegraph India, TechCrunch, Entrepreneur, Bloomberg, business today.VAHDAM has also been covered by ALL these publications. The company has been passionately selling teas and never focused too much on PR. It does not even have a PR agency. Almost all the above features are organic and NONE of it is a paid ‘promotion whatsoever.

Some more Non PR mentions For Your Reference: (All mentioned sites have their respective Wikipedia pages)

https://fee.org/articles/tea-lovers-have-it-made-thanks-to-markets/ https://www.specialtyfood.com/news/article/vahdam-teas-receives-the-2019-sofitm-bronze-award-125904/ https://angel.co/company/vahdam-teas https://www.ketto.org/fundraiser/vahdamteas — Preceding unsigned comment added by Naman2685 (talk • contribs) 11:40, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This is a WP:REFBOMB. scope_creep^Talk 11:50, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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