Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Untitled Third Studio Album (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Stifle (talk) 09:48, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Untitled Third Studio Album

Per WP:MUSIC#Albums: unreleased albums are non-notable without "significant independent coverage in reliable sources". Article fails WP:MUSIC and WP:V (also WP:HAMMER). Also bundling the non-notable/non-charting single from the album, similarly lacking media coverage and reliable sources. (Note: Previous AfD was for someone else's untitled third album.)—Hello, Control ^{Hello, Tony} 14:13, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. —Hello, Control ^{Hello, Tony} 14:18, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. WP:CRYSTAL.Kww (talk) 14:24, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Clarifying per other's comments: Delete the album as crystal. Delete the single article as a violation of WP:MUSIC#Songs, as there is insufficient information to create a reasonably detailed article. Technically, perhaps I should call for merge, but there is so little information that calling it a merge is kind of a joke. Any information that in this article should be in Fefe Dobson.Kww (talk) 15:24, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The single is the theme song for a TV show on a major cable network, VH1. It has also been used for commercials on other major networks like NBC and ABC. In addition Fefe Dobson is notable herself, so wouldn't her album be too? Also check out what Rhapsody said. If you delete this, you will just have to remake it. Even if you delete the album page, you can not delete the single as it is OBVIOUSLY notable. Russ is the sex (talk) 14:32, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Those comments are irrelevant. If the single is notable, that doesn't make the album notable. And remaking it can't do anyone harm. Fefe Dobson being notable doesn't matter, as it's not out yet. Unnotable Third Studio Album. Spec ial K 14:35, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~ Delete the album then and NOT the single. Be careful what you say to delete because Hello Control bundled them together. Russ is the sex (talk) 14:38, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's exactly what I meant. But thanks for pointing that out. Spec ial K 15:17, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WP:MUSIC#Songs says nothing about theme songs being notable: "Songs that have been ranked on national or significant music charts, that have won significant awards or honors or that have been performed independently by several notable artists", none of which apply to this song. —Hello, Control ^{Hello, Tony} 15:28, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WP:MUSIC#Songs is about songs, not about official singles released by artists. The page about her SINGLE is not about a random song off of her CD. The article is not about a random song off of her CD. Russ is the sex (talk) 16:39, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you think that WP:MUSIC does not apply to singles (which I believe it does), then what is notable about this non-charting single? If its only notability is as the theme song from a TV show, it should redirect to the TV show's article. —Hello, Control ^{Hello, Tony} 20:22, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WP:MUSIC#Songs very definitely applies to singles.Kww (talk) 20:28, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Fefe Dobson's forthcoming album may or may not be notable, but "Untitled Third Studio Album" is gravely deficient as an article title. A host of artists may have untitled third studio albums; if they continue to record, this will inevitably follow their second studio album. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 14:57, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I think this article needs to be hit with a big WP:HAMMER! -- JediLofty ^{Talk to me}_{Follow me} 16:12, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and Salt anything that is untitled blah, blah, blah... it's not-notable, it's not verifiable, etc. Jasynnash2 (talk) 16:24, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
~~Keep and Merge~~. I will merge the stuff into the Fefe Dobson article about her third album until more information is released. The album is verifiable and notable. In the meantime, the single article should NOT BE DELETED because it does not violate WP:MUSIC#Songs. WP:MUSIC#Songs is for SONGS and not SINGLES. If you follow that logic, you would have to delete any article about a single released by a notable artist that hasn't charted yet or didn't chart. You wouldn't do that to Saturday (song), Dick Lips, etc. I will get on the merge of the new album information later today. The Fefe page needs a bit of a rewrite anyway. I have to do homework and get to class soon. Russ is the sex (talk) 16:36, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- You cannot vote twice. JuJube (talk) 17:03, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, no Merge/Redirect because it's hammertime. "Watch Me Move" has an article; that's enough. JuJube (talk) 17:03, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Strong delete per WP:HAMMER. Title isn't known, single is a long way from charting. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 18:34, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Smash this with the aforementioned hammer: no title, no release date, no reliable sources; fails WP:CRYSTAL anyway. Cliff smith ^talk 21:55, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete album page per WP:HAMMER and WP:CRYSTAL until title known. -- _{Escape Artist Swyer} ^{Talk to me} _{The mess I've made} 22:26, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete STOP! CRYSTAL HAMMER TIME! Tavix (talk) 00:02, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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