Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Umbrella attack

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The result was delete. Spartaz ^Humbug! 16:49, 28 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Umbrella attack

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This article is essentially original research. Yes, people have been attacked with umbrellas at various times, but there don't seem to be any references that discuss 'umbrella attacks' as a phenomenon, as opposed to discussing individual ones. Robofish (talk) 23:19, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Yes, interesting. But unfortunately no references for scholarly of other research of the phenomenon, only particular cases are reported. BTW, purse attack and purse defense are much more common :-). Xuz (talk) 23:35, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as WP:OR. As the nominator says, the "umbrella attacks" is not notable as a phenomenon. Salih (talk) 04:08, 21 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per all above. WuhWuzDat 07:13, 21 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above. Good thing that we don't accept other stuff as an excuse, since we have material on trout slapping lying around :) Favonian (talk) 14:53, 21 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I can find no evidence that the type of umbrella attack described in this article has been discussed as a phenomenon by reliable sources. It may be that the type of attack that killed Georgi Markov, which is what I was expecting to see in the article, is notable. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:32, 21 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Bulgarian umbrella. A look through the Google Books search results, which provide the best idea of relative long-term notability, shows that this is the most commonly used meaning for this phrase, and, in the long term, will be what readers typing in the phrase will most likely be looking for. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:04, 21 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Do we define clandestine murder as "attack"? IMO the legal term would be "assault". Mukadderat (talk) 00:23, 24 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep There do not need to be scholarly or academic sources, just sources talking about the subject in substantial way. Where is it stated otherwise? Nor need there be "research". Reports are enough. Where is it stated otherwise? There are other parts of the world besides the ones that universities do research on. I'm not great supporter of using the GNG when we have something better to go by, but this is the sort of article where we do not & so we must rely on it. . DGG ( talk ) 05:15, 22 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep I'm of two minds on this original idea from an article by a new contributor. On the one hand, it would be a logical redirect to the article about Georgi Markov's 1978 murder, which was done by a weapon disguised as an umbrella; and in this case, this is so far a list of incidents where someone happened to be carrying an umbrella while stressed. On the other hand, "umbrellas can do more than keep you dry" and can be used for self-defense [1] and can be used as a weapon [2], and it's less conspicuous than a walking stick or a handgun, though pepper spray is better to carry around. I lean towards saying that this could be made into an encyclopedia article. Mandsford (talk) 19:40, 22 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep per Mandsford.--Epeefleche (talk) 13:32, 23 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I have to say I'm impressed by the Google Books source found by Mandsford above, which shows that there has been at least one published book which discusses umbrellas as a weapon. I'm still not sure there's enough to justify keeping this article, but perhaps it should be merged into Umbrella#Use as a weapon instead? Robofish (talk) 23:59, 23 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. There are numerous things that may be and are used for attack. Many of them are reported in media. While there are cases of attack or defense using umbrellas, there is no scholarly discourse of "umbrella as a weapon". Therefore this article fails "WP:SYNTH" criterion. Or are we going to have a series of articles boulder attack, brick attack, needle attack, beer bottle attack, dolly attack, baseball bat attack, wrench attack, crowbar attack, fence pole attack... ? Mukadderat (talk) 00:20, 24 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I guess it depends on whether people, when they go out for a walk, carry along with them a boulder, a brick, a needle, a beer bottle, a dolly, a baseball bat, a wrench, a crow bar, or a fence pole. I like to take along all those things. There's no such thing as too careful. Mandsford (talk) 13:31, 24 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to umbrella and move sourced material there. There is no such term. ^Bongo_matic 03:16, 27 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Any article that starts out, "An umbrella attack is a coordinated assault on someone or something that can lead to a variety of emotions and reactions" is an assault on reason. But even if this article was better written, nothing can change the fact that the topic of umbrella attacks has no secondary sources. Yes, people have been attacked by assailants wielding umbrellas, but the topic of umbrellas as weapons has no secondary sources. 208.59.120.194 (talk) 07:22, 28 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
delete - The topic is a synthesis, mildly amusing but it has no place here. It struggles even to make its point, as much of the article describes things that aren't attacks. Stripped of them and you're left with the already covered Bulgarian umbrella and some minor unrelated and entirely non-notable events. JohnBlackburne (talk) 14:11, 28 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.