Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/UEFA Euro 2008 warm-up matches

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Maxim_(talk) 14:01, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

UEFA Euro 2008 warm-up matches

Although this set of matches has defined inclusion criteria, these matches have never been officially designated as part of the UEFA Euro 2008 competition. In actual fact, they are just friendly matches that involve one or more of the teams that will play at Euro 2008, and so they are not inherently notable in themselves. – Pee Jay 19:52, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. – Pee Jay 20:05, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete a mere, not notable, list of friendly matches. --Angelo (talk) 20:09, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: nobody said that these matches are a part of UEFA Euro 2008, but they are an important part of preparation for the competition. UEFA.com, for example, launched a predictor and a fantasy games for Euro 2008, and these games will include the warm-up matches starting from March 26. I therefore don't see how these matches are not notable. AR TYOM 20:31, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Delete The concept of 'UEFA Euro 2008 warm-up matches' as a sporting event is not notable and only seems to appear in SPS. Are there are second party sources to be found? --neonwhite user page talk 22:03, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. GiantSnowman (talk) 13:29, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: everybody is interested on those friendlies before the big tournament - take a look at Uefa.com . P.s.: some users should concentrate on making positive contributions to Wikipedia for once...--Jcer80 (talk) 18:33, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Are you sure everybody's interested in such friendlies? I'm certainly not. – PeeJay 18:59, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Me neither; and please note Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a sports almanac. --Angelo (talk) 19:41, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Sure, you're only interested in edit wars and deleting contributions from other users --Jcer80 (talk) 00:57, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Less of the personal attacks please. – PeeJay 02:24, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      - Stop hiding behind "personal attacks": it's true, just try to be more constructive--Jcer80 (talk) 14:38, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        There's a difference between being constructive and just creating articles with gay abandon. In fact, I would deem this AfD as constructive as it is helping to weed out the unnecessary articles. I'm still yet to see a reason why this article is necessary. – Pee Jay 16:41, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, a list of things that have nothing to do with each other. Punkmorten (talk) 21:33, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Punkmorten BanRay 11:30, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - nominator is, despite sincerity of nomination, apparently ignorant of the topic area - David Gerard (talk) 13:23, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Would you care to explain what that accusation is based on? I've been contributing to football-based articles on Wikipedia for about two years now, so I'm fairly sure my knowledge of the topic area is pretty good compared to most people. – PeeJay 14:17, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Oh, here it is the explanation of your behaviour: you're better than the other users!--Jcer80 (talk) 14:43, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Nice of you to say so, and you're right, I would consider myself more informed about this subject than the majority of Wikipedians (that's everyone, not just the ones who contribute to football articles). Anyway, can we stick to the matter at hand please? – Pee Jay 16:41, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My sincere apologies for intruding your "conversation", but I think I should mention that this very article has been referred in several locations as the BEST and ONLY complete list of pre-tournament friendlies. Sadly, I cannot provide any links, but you may take my word that a link to this article has been given in at least two Finnish newspapers, and I use it as my reference when writing articles to a Finnish magazine. Deleting this article (or even discussing about it) only seems like a horrible waste of time. There are numerous articles in Wikipedia that are less useful than this. --130.232.125.28 (talk) 12:12, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- If that was a vote to keep this article, then I doubt your motives very much. You say you use Wikipedia as a reference when writing your articles, presumably as a primary resource. However, Wikipedia is by its own definition a secondary or even tertiary source. This whole website is built on information that has been sourced and verified from other sources, so obviously the information in this article can be found elsewhere. If you want a list of friendly international football matches, I suggest you look at FIFA.com, which has a full and comprehensive list of all friendlies that have been ratified by FIFA (here). Nevertheless, the matches documented in this article are almost as non-notable as they come (perhaps apart from a friendly between Guam and Samoa) and do not deserve an entire article about them. – PeeJay 14:29, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - It was not a vote, merely a comment from an "outsider". As far as I'm concerned, I am not allowed to vote as an unregistered user. I am very aware of the resources that have been used in creation of this article (FIFA, Futbolplanet), since they are also listed in the "External links" -section of the article. However I prefer this article since it usually is the first one updated when a new friendly match is decided. It takes several days before FIFA adds these events on its list. It also lists ONLY the matches of Euro 2008 -teams, while from the other sources the same matches have to be filtered from amongst several other international matches. Basically the differences aren't that remarkable, but this Wikipedia -article is remarkably easier to use. It is also not important to talk whether or not these friendlies are "notable" or not. Most coaches do think the results are irrelevant, but the matches are not. Notability in this case is a matter of opinion, and should not be a reason to delete the article.

I must also mention that I do not like this deletionistic trend in Wikipedia. I sincerely believe all articles that make sense (=aren't rubbish) and are important to just a few people more than the original "contributor", should be conserved. I'm certainly not the only person on this planet who regularly visits this very article and finds it extremely useful. My personal opinion of Wikipedia has dramatically dropped during the last months, since it starts to look more like a playground of wannabe-politicians than an encyclopedia created to provide information to normal people by normal people. Lastly I beg your pardon for going slightly off-topic and for possibly writing horrible English, since it's not my native language. --130.232.125.28 (talk) 16:17, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Delete: I would like to follow what we have done at 2006 FIFA World Cup. There is no warm-up matches articles there. All matches are not compulsory enough to mention before the game started. Raymond Giggs 04:41, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.