Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tyler Hill Camp

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The result was delete. Tone 07:51, 19 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Tyler Hill Camp

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Non-notable summer camp with no reliable sources. The article also fails WP:NPOV. AmericanAir88^(talk) 00:55, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Pennsylvania-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 00:58, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 01:03, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 03:54, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Notable camp WP:NEXIST in book, Money CNN, Description, Description Channel 16 news, Page six. Besides being a Jewish camp, it is also a wedding venue. New York Retreat Center WP:GEOFEAT Now if only we can add some of these and more refs to the article. Lightburst (talk) 01:20, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Lightburst: None of these sources justify this camp for having its own article. WP:NEXIST needs reliable sourcing which none of these provided have. AmericanAir88^(talk) 01:37, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Source 1: Directory
Source 2: Trivial source about prices of camp (it is about how expensive camps are)
Source 3: Not even for the camp, its a city description
Source 4: SPS Directory
Source 5: Local news with no indication of notability for the article
Source 6: A former sports player visited the camp which is a common occurrence); I knew people who had Celebrities, Sports Players, and even government executives come to their schools, hospitals, and other locations. This does not indicate notability.
Source 7: A review site for a multi-purpose building. Any place can be a wedding venue from hotels, local parks, beaches, etc.
Source 8: Primary source.

In conclusion, none of these sources pass the WP:ORG policy. They are trivial and non-encyclopedic. AmericanAir88^(talk) 01:37, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment WP:BEFORE was needed. That took me ten minutes. If I am feeling ambitious I will find more. We will see what other editors think. Not sure I have ever seen a summer camp/wedding venue with in depth biographical coverage. Maybe a prestigious person visited, like Alex Rodriguez. Or someone famous went to camp there, or was married there. That is why we have the SNG WP:GEOFEAT. The AfD rationale is that there are no refs but policy is not to delete when they exist per WP:NEXIST. I am not feeling ambitious right now, but will add refs when I can. Other editors can also evaluate the refs I have found, which are not exactly how you describe them. Lightburst (talk) 01:48, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. The page is presently unreferenced; new sources cited here by Lightburst are trivial mentions. I am unable to locate actual write-ups of the camp by independent, secondary sources. Yoninah (talk) 02:04, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Page currently doesn't have any references as previously mentioned. DeloreanTimeMachine (talk) 14:35, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It is not a delete rationale unless references do not exist out there in the world. Lightburst (talk) 14:37, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Lightburst, according to the policy you cited the article needs suitable independent, reliable sources, not their immediate presence or citation in an article which the camp does not have. AmericanAir88^(talk) 18:22, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Understood. I have been tied up in other issues today, but would like to continue to look this week if I am able. Lightburst (talk) 18:35, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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