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The result was redirect to Lega Toscana. I've gone for this instead of a merge because consensus appears that there is little that could be added aside from a sentence or two, which would be minor work. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:10, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tuscan Federalist Alliance

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A totally unknown local party, that existed for a very short period of time. The page is written in five lines and only half of them concerns the party. Two sources are cited on the page, only one of them concerns the party and textually reads: "Riccardo Fragassi ... founded the Tuscan Federalist Alliance and then disappeared." It does not seem possible to find any other source except this one, which merely states that the party has existed and disappeared. Practically, this party is devoid of any kind of source and relevance. Scia Della Cometa (talk) 20:40, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. The Tuscan Federalist Alliance was one of the major splits occurred to Lega Toscana. Its founder and leader Riccardo Fragassi was previously a leading member of Lega Toscana. The party was active for several years and, while it did not achieve electoral success (at the time also Lega Toscana was not doing well, possibly also because of the split), it clearly deserves an article in Wikipedia or, at least, a redirect to "Lega Toscana". Every little piece of political history deserves a space in Wikipedia and, even though also established and traditional encyclopedias also have small entries, the greatness of Wikipedia is precisely having articles for little-known subjects. The passing of time makes difficult to find more sources and information in the web, but we should avoid recentism and give space also to former minor political parties. --Checco (talk) 16:00, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • The claim that "Tuscan Federalist Alliance was one of the major splits occurred to Lega Toscana" seems to me a WP:Original research, since it is not proven by any source (as no source deals with this party). A party without sources is not relevant, but it could be redirected to Lega Toscana with a brief mention in the article (and nothing more, since there is almost nothing to say about this party) as compromise. --Scia Della Cometa (talk) 20:42, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete or merge into Lega Toscana. No academic publication, nor news articles, not even blogs nor random websites talk about this party. Except for the one book cited in the article, which only mentions the party in passing, as explained by the OP. This does not meet WP:GNG. Yakme (talk) 15:43, 15 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Further comment. I believe that the party, which was also represented in Tuscany's regional council, should be kept, but, in order not to lose the article's history, what about a merger through redirect with Lega Toscana? --Checco (talk) 13:54, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It's fine for me to have a sentence about this party in Lega Toscana. Yakme (talk) 13:58, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I see that the article Lega Toscana already covers the portions contained in this article, so I think that a merge is not necessary because it was already done...
I would like to point out two things:
1) As far as I can verify, "Tuscan Federalist Alliance" has never been a political party, but just a "gruppo consiliare", i.e. a parliamentary group in the Tuscan Regional Council. They are two different things. I can't verify that Alleanza Federale ever participated in a regional election in Tuscany.
2) The fact that a political party or parliamentary group is represented in a Parliament/Council is not per se a notability criteria. A standalone article needs to follow at least Wikipedia's general notability guidelines. I believe that this article (like many other articles concerning Italian minor parties I'm finding in Wikipedia) doesn't meet any of the criteria set in this policy. P1221 (talk) 08:05, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I understand that it is now difficult to find sources on the web on an old minor political party, but the Tuscan Federalist Alliance was a party of its own right. Moreover, from the point of view of international political science there would be no specific difference between a political party and a parliamentary-only political party. I will try to find more sources. However, I hope that we can avoid a deletion anyway. In order to preserve the article's history, the article could easily become a redirect pointing to Lega Toscana. --Checco (talk) 07:34, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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