Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Turko-Persian Tradition
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was speedy keep due to bad-faith nomination. Despite the delete vote, the mass canvassing of user talk pages by the nominator ensures that consensus will never be reached. --Coredesat 07:03, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Turko-Persian Tradition
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The term Turko-Persian Tradition does not exists academically and it is a factitious entry! Check the Encyclopaedia Iranica to confirm – This is misinformation. The name " Turko-Persian Tradition" is an imaginary one and therefore the entry should be deleted. Surena 01:05, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The term Turko-Persian Tradition (or Turco-Persian) does not exists academically and it is a factitious entry! Check the Encyclopaedia Iranica to confirm -- The correct name for that culture is the Persianate culture not the "Turko-Persian". Turkophones (mostly of mixed race and Persianized in culture) only spoke in Turkic dialects and were in the military. That is not enough participation in creating and forming the culture to deserve the name "Turko-Persian Tradition" – This is misinformation. All the elements in that area, which have to do with tradition and culture, were drawn from the Iranian culture (Persian, Kurdish, Azari, Baluchi, Tajik, Luri, Gilaki, Talishi, Mazandarani, etc.), and the Islamic faith, not much Turkic elements (like shamanism, yurts etc.) were incorporated in. That is what makes the name "Turko-Persian" an imaginary one and therefore the entry should be deleted.Surena 07:01, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Well, from the reading I have done, and I can post several quotes, the invading Turkic armies adopted Iranian customs and culture. Infact, they even left administration purposes to the Iranians. I dont know where the term "Turko-Persian" Tradition comes from, because even the Ottomans adopted the Persian language for their own cultural language, which suggests that Turkic culture was not mixed with Iranian culture, but rather seperate, and that Iranian culture was preferred. Again, I do not know where the term "Turko-Persian Tradition" comes from and it seems very misleading. I have heard of the term "Turko-Persian Empires" before, but never of this term. Also, it should be said that not even the term Islamic culture is valid, because most, if not all, of Islamic culture is basically practices adopted from Iran after the Arabs conquered it. With this said, I'm not saying that Turkic peoples did not leave their traces, because of course they did, this is evident by the Turkic dialects spoke in the Middle East today, however, if we are speaking of culture and tradition, there was only one that was adopted by most peoples, and those were Iranian, from Abbasid Arabs, to the Turkic tribes, to the Mongols.Azerbaijani 03:10, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy Close - User Contribs indicative of a bad faith nomination, I would not expect a good faith nominator to campaign against an article like this. -- wtfunkymonkey 03:47, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- This term is a Wikipedian Hoax, and is a campaign by Pan-Turkists here to falsify and replace the internationally, and scholarly known term of Persianate with this nonsensical and fictitious term. Until now they were quite successful to create these two entries (Turco-Persian and Turko-Persian Tradition) and unfortunately many Wikipedians have innocently fallen to their trap and contributed without realizing that the term is a recent invention. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Surena (talk • contribs) 06:58, 17 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]
- Delete Well, from the reading I have done, and I can post several quotes, the invading Turkic armies adopted Iranian customs and culture. Infact, they even left administration purposes to the Iranians. I dont know where the term "Turko-Persian" Tradition comes from, because even the Ottomans adopted the Persian language for their own cultural language, which suggests that Turkic culture was not mixed with Iranian culture, but rather seperate, and that Iranian culture was preferred. Again, I do not know where the term "Turko-Persian Tradition" comes from and it seems very misleading. I have heard of the term "Turko-Persian Empires" before, but never of this term. Also, it should be said that not even the term Islamic culture is valid, because most, if not all, of Islamic culture is basically practices adopted from Iran after the Arabs conquered it. With this said, I'm not saying that Turkic peoples did not leave their traces, because of course they did, this is evident by the Turkic dialects spoke in the Middle East today, however, if we are speaking of culture and tradition, there was only one that was adopted by most peoples, and those were Iranian, from Abbasid Arabs, to the Turkic tribes, to the Mongols.Azerbaijani 03:10, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Endorse deletion-turkopersianis a fictitious name and never did not use in past. --Ariobarzan 23:01, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.