Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Trust, but verify

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The result was Keep. — ΛΧΣ21™ 02:13, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Trust, but verify

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This phrase has been repeated in reliable sources, but it has not been the subject of coverage. — Bdb484 (talk) 23:35, 10 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Ronald Reagan. There seem to be no sources for the expression on its own, but there are sources for Reagan saying it. -- BenTels (talk) 00:18, 11 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:39, 11 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:40, 11 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep There are entire books written about this. Note that the phrase did not originate with Reagan; it's a Russian proverb, doveryai, no proveryai, which he used in negotiation with the Russians. Warden (talk) 22:09, 11 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What books? — Bdb484 (talk) 22:53, 11 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please see the search link above. See also WP:BEFORE. Warden (talk) 07:23, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've clicked the link. I don't see any. Can you point to a specific book written about this phrase? — Bdb484 (talk) 12:31, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. A well-known concept and catchphrase with a very interesting history. Reagan's adoption of the saying via Suzanne Massie is discussed in multiple sources[1] e.g. [2][3][4] Some sources also attribute the first English use to Damon Runyon,[5][6][7] although the talk page notes this may be subject to dispute. Worthy of an article. --Arxiloxos (talk) 23:16, 11 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. There's already an entire category of political catchphrases like this. For examples, stay the course, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, the war to end war, what would Jesus do?, mistakes were made, socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor, and there you go again. Many of them have had been put up for deletion, but they were kept because they are well-known and significant phrases, like this one. I can't see how Wikipedia would be improved by getting rid of this article. -NorsemanII (talk) 01:18, 14 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Warden, Arxiloxos, and NorsemenII. Plenty of sources exist and can be added easily. Bearian (talk) 21:01, 14 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Passes WP:GNG per sources cited in article + those cited by Arxiloxos above.--JayJasper (talk) 06:41, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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