Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Transport in the Arab world

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:42, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Transport in the Arab world

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WP:UNSOURCED and failing WP:GNG since creation in 2007 (tagged as such since July 2010), and WP:OR in defining a region and listing a bunch of random facts or non-facts such as that Boghé is supposedly a "port or harbour" on the "Atlantic Ocean". As far as I can tell, Boghé (population: 42,759, in the Futa Tooro region where most people speak Wolof or Fula, not Arabic) is a town on a river, some 250 kilometres downstream, flows into the Atlantic Ocean. What this has to do with "transport in the Arab world", I have no idea. Maybe because Mauritania is one of the Member states of the Arab League, and you can use a river to transport stuff? It's such a stretch. (By that logic, we could create an article called Transport in the Turkic world and mention Nukus as an example, and that is being charitable). The entire article is like that. Maybe we could split off the "Airports" section and turn it into something like List of the busiest airports in the Arab League (by analogy with List of the busiest airports in the Nordic countries), and delete the rest? I would prefer a WP:TNT for that though. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 15:20, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 15:20, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe draftify? This seems like it could be a cohesive topic, but as it stands it's just so vague and unfocused. Needs a lot of work. I would not be opposed to a delete but I do think there's a rough idea of an article here. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 15:34, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that's why I'm thinking about splitting off the airports, but it would need to be draftified. Then again, I'm not willing to adopt such a draft, and Reywas92 already pointed out the Arab League does not appear to have a unified transport policy. There is a Sport policies of the Arab League, but that article has its own problems. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 16:41, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

On closer inspection, even the Transport in the Arab world#Airports section is little more than a bunch of WP:REDUNDANTFORKs of articles which can also be found in Category:Lists of airports by country, e.g. List of airports in Saudi Arabia, List of airports in the United Arab Emirates. And they provide more information than just a list of names, so there is no added value to this section at all. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 16:48, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Arab World or Arab League is more of a ethnopolitical construct than a geographic one, but there are no sources discussion the topic as w whole. It's not clear that the Arab League has a unified transport policy that would warrant an article. Something like Transport in the Middle East or Transport in North Africa could be appropriate, but when this is just unconnected lists of infrastructure that are available elsewhere, I don't see the point. Reywas92^Talk 16:27, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Middle East-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:42, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No need to rehash the same information time and again. We do not need such articles even by subcontinent. Reason is that people and goods travel between e.g. France and Germany (same subcontinent) as they travel between France and Italy (different subcontinent). For cultural groupings, such as the Arab world, Middle East, and Latin America, these articles make no sense at all! So a big NO also to draftifying. Moderator access to use content for proper continents -- sure. gidonb (talk) 00:24, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. By the way, France and Germany (same subcontinent) ... France and Italy (different subcontinent) is already a controversial statement as well. Germany is often grouped as "Central Europe" and France as "Western Europe" and Italy as "Southern Europe". Then again, you can group Italy and France as "Southwestern Europe" along with Spain, Portugal and Andorra, if you prefer. Or how about categorising Luxembourg as "Northern Europe" (I'm not kidding)? Not last and not least, even the Netherlands can officially scientifically be grouped as "Central Europe" (or actually "Middle Europe") if you're talking about flora; here was I thinking all my life that I lived in Western Europe! It's all arbitrary and it depends on who you ask. ;) Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 09:58, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Nothing I said is controversial. These are the WP conventions. Countries are human geographies, as are taxonomies of countries. gidonb (talk) 11:19, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 12:07, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Move/rename to Transport in the Arab League. We have already debated at nauseam about the definition of "Arab" which at this point seems to be a philosophical question that needs to be debated in a general page to develop consensus that can be applied on other pages concerning Arabs. I disagree with the charahctarisation of "Arab" as a construct; I'd recommend going through the lead in Arabs, and the rest of the article if you want to get into the weeds. Vyvagaba (talk) 10:23, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting to consider rename suggestion that was the last opinion offered. Of course, this requires a Keep decision first.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:29, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 07:12, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as a redundant WP:CONTENTFORK, anything useful this article covers is already mentioned at "Transportation in X country" articles, and the not-useful stuff consists of an indiscriminately presented list of random regional infrastructure proposals that have no specific connection to the "Arab World" anyway. Devonian Wombat (talk) 12:59, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.