Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tommy Gavin
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus leaning towards keep. Yamamoto Ichiro 会話 03:09, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
prod, then deleted. Recreated later, then db-repost. db-repost removed with the comment "Article seems to have been deleted by PROD.", which is funny; either it was or it wasn't. This is a non-notable fictional character in a television series. Fine for inclusion in the series (which itself is notable according to Wikipedia rules) article, but not demonstratably notable for its own article. -- Mikeblas (talk) 06:17, 25 January 2008 (UTC) Mikeblas (talk) 06:17, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep: I really hate to use "other stuff exists", but have you seen List of Rescue Me characters? A lot (22 to be exact) of the characters have their own article here. So if we're going to delete some, I'd start with some that aren't the main character of the show. Thinking about guidelines though, I think this particular character could be considered pretty notable because of a few events, like this one, which received a lot of coverage from several publications. - Rjd0060 (talk) 15:30, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. Indeed, other stuff exists. There's always other articles that need deleting, and unfortunately, we can't tag all of them at once. Suggesting that the article shouldn't be deleted because the deletion was filed before other articles that should have been deleted is nonsense. What the character did was slightly controversial but hardly notable in spirit, though it might fit the letter of the law. A section in the show's main article would be more than enough to cover what happened once, in one episode. -- Mikeblas (talk) 17:23, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong KEEP: I started the page for a reason Thomas Gavin is the first major main firefighter character in drama's popular culture history. Rescue Me is also the first show to star firefighters lives, making it quite important to popular culture history also. There are plenty of articles on wiki that does not need to be here but Tommy Gavin is not one of them. May I add that I also agree with Rjd0060.Hank Richards 17:41, 25 January 2008 (UTC)•
- Comment - Rescue Me isn't the first show to "star firefighters lives" - check out London's Burning. - fchd (talk) 10:33, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Please: I know about Londons Burning, however I still feel this article is important enough to hardly even be considered. I mean they have a page on girlfriend and that isn't a theres other stuff argument they both deserve a page though. Hank Richards 13:34, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
- Strong KEEP: I started the page for a reason Thomas Gavin is the first major main firefighter character in drama's popular culture history. Rescue Me is also the first show to star firefighters lives, making it quite important to popular culture history also. There are plenty of articles on wiki that does not need to be here but Tommy Gavin is not one of them. May I add that I also agree with Rjd0060.Hank Richards 17:41, 25 January 2008 (UTC)•
- Comment. Indeed, other stuff exists. There's always other articles that need deleting, and unfortunately, we can't tag all of them at once. Suggesting that the article shouldn't be deleted because the deletion was filed before other articles that should have been deleted is nonsense. What the character did was slightly controversial but hardly notable in spirit, though it might fit the letter of the law. A section in the show's main article would be more than enough to cover what happened once, in one episode. -- Mikeblas (talk) 17:23, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Denis Leary has been nominated for an Emmy and a Golden Globe for playing this character, which makes the character notable IMO. Some information about the character in New York Times articles [1] [2] The character's article is notable and verifiable. Bláthnaid 17:32, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. These nominations go to the actor's notability, not the character's. -- Mikeblas (talk) 01:49, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I disagree. Such a nomination generates a lot of press coverage. These sources often provide information about the character. Nominations for lead actor/actress are also an indication that the character is well known. For example, along with Denis Leary the actors nominated for a best actor in a drama series Emmy last year played the roles Tony Soprano, Jack Bauer, Alan Shore, and Gregory House. The character was also involved in a very controversial storyline that generated a lot of press coverage, eg [3] [4]. I've trimmed the original plot section and added real world information and sources to the article. It meets WP:V, WP:N, and WP:FICTION. Bláthnaid 16:07, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. Dennis Leary was nominated, not Tommy Gavin. -- Mikeblas (talk) 17:16, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I disagree. Such a nomination generates a lot of press coverage. These sources often provide information about the character. Nominations for lead actor/actress are also an indication that the character is well known. For example, along with Denis Leary the actors nominated for a best actor in a drama series Emmy last year played the roles Tony Soprano, Jack Bauer, Alan Shore, and Gregory House. The character was also involved in a very controversial storyline that generated a lot of press coverage, eg [3] [4]. I've trimmed the original plot section and added real world information and sources to the article. It meets WP:V, WP:N, and WP:FICTION. Bláthnaid 16:07, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- coment Are you high nobody said Tommy Gavin was nominated, and you have to face the fact Tommy Gavin meets wikipedia standards —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.17.19.95 (talk) 18:59, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- 98.17, you are more than welcome to edit here, but please note that Wikipedia has a strict policy against insulting another editor. Bláthnaid 19:18, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to List of Rescue Me characters. --Reinoutr (talk) 07:27, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- comment I have merged SOME of the characters articles to list of rescue me characters but the main character in a high profile t.v. show deserves its own page —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.17.19.95 (talk) 22:38, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.