Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thomas Berling

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The result was keep. — Aitias // discussion 11:33, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas Berling (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)

Contested prod. Not a notable footballer. No appearances in any professional league. Drøbak Frogn is not professional football team. Rettetast (talk) 22:57, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Fails inclusion criteria as a footballer, but the aftermath of his retirement sparked significant media coverage. His case is still cited today, many years later. Keep unless someone can convince me otherwise. I referenced the article. Punkmorten (talk) 23:04, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:01, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:44, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Hmmm...interesting one. I agree with Punkmorten and feel it will probably continue to endure, probably being dragged up time and again as notable players retire and come out of the closet and declare the reason they never came out before was the belief it would destroy their career. Has independent coverage, interest and some claim to notability. Could do with a little copy-edit though. --ClubOranje^T 11:04, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think you're a bit close to a WP:BLP violation with what you're hinting at in your comment there.... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:13, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Excuse my ignorance...In what way?--ClubOranje^T 11:36, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I don't see how Oranje's comment contains "biographical material about a living person". Punkmorten (talk) 12:28, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • He appears to be specifically hinting that "former England centre backs" might need to "come out of the closet". It's entirely possible I was wrong when I first read that and assumed he had someone specific in mind, all I'm saying is be careful..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:40, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • Hmmm. It was just a random statement of example really with no specific intent. If I had written it a few days earlier I may have used New Zealand strikers, not because I believe they would, simply because they were articles I was looking at. However, point taken and sanitised in the interest of harmony. --ClubOranje^T 23:36, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep He may not pass the notability guidelines for his footballing career, the article and references provided prove he passes WP:N, as most of his notability comes from his post football life. Eastlygod (talk) 13:59, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I'm not going to vote since I was the person who created this article. I did so to get get rid of the red links at List of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender sportspeople. I do admit that my knowledge of Norweigan football (soccer) is limited, but I thought he was a member of professional team for one year in Norway. The u-19 national team does not qualify as notability for an athlelete. This has been prodded for deletion twice and I thought I added references that satisfied the prodding. I was also trying to find some English articles about him to find out more about his career, but to no vaild. Yet, reading some of the above posts I'm guessing he is more notable for his post-career. The link that I posted that is in Norweigan I read via a Google translation. --Pinkkeith (talk) 15:34, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been added to the list of LGBT related deletions. Pinkkeith (talk) 15:39, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I believe that he is notable in the fact that homophobia forced him to retire from a football career, and media attention shows that. GiantSnowman 16:43, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I fail to see how this is wikipedia material. It sounds more like a news broadcast to me. Govvy (talk) 23:37, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - seems to easily meet WP:GNG Nfitz (talk) 02:46, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - clearly notable on his own terms, even if he falls short of usual notability standards. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 11:45, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Keep seems notable enough for a stub. Maybe in the future such things will not be notable, but they clearly were then. If there is such little information, maybe he could be included somewhere in a list rather thana standalone article, but i don't think the LGBT people list has room for such descriptions.Yobmod (talk) 16:35, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Meets WP:GNG standards. Pastor Theo (talk) 01:33, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.