Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The family of Mahatma Gandhi

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Tone 11:05, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Given that notability is not inherited, I can't see how this article meets WP:GNG. Kautilya3 (talk) 21:03, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Kautilya3 (talk) 21:03, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Kautilya3 (talk) 21:03, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment well Gandhi's wife and children all have articles already, so their notability is already established. This article is just tying them all together. Mccapra (talk) 21:53, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well, there is certainly room for a WP:List article, which might include both notable and non-notable individuals of the family. But the family, as a concept, deserving a page of its own, I can't see. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 23:25, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Support, I suppose Wierd nom! The concept is certainly notable - though none were prominent they have easily received enough coverage, individually and as a group, to meet GNG in his numerous lengthy biographies, and no doubt endless Indian press coverage. But this article is useless, with barely any mention of the subject, and deletion is best. I suspect this nom arises from a discussion I started at Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics#Gandhi_family the day before the nom. As Kautilya3 unhelpfully did not mention this nom there, and I've only just seen it, in accordance with the discussion I have now set up Gandhi family as a disam page between Mahatma Gandhi and Nehru-Gandhi family. The options I set out there were:
  • a) Turning into a proper article by adapting chunks from various bios
  • b) Redirecting to his bio
  • c) a disam page - no doubt most readers are looking for Nehru-Gandhi family

Unless someone wants to do a) this should be redirected to Mahatma Gandhi. Johnbod (talk) 14:32, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose conversion to a list is another possibility. At present Mahatma Gandhi includes the family tree, but does not I think all mention all the descendents with articles, & a decent list would make sense. Johnbod (talk) 18:12, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, we can always have lists for these things. But for it to be an article, there needs to be detailed coverage in some reliable source. (Sorry that I caught you unawares.) -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:32, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Don't link basic concepts at me please, that's just RUDE!!! Oh please! There are over a dozen full-length biographies listed at Mahatma Gandhi (I don't claim to have read any). You don't think they have "detailed coverage"? Nor all the individual bios we have? Johnbod (talk) 04:58, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Pleast don't get touchy. You are still missing the point. A reliable source on Gandhi does not equate to a reliable source on the Gandhi family. Where are the sources for this topic? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:45, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't be patronizing, annoying, and wrong! Given the pretty minimal level of coverage required for notability, are you really claiming that there is insufficient coverage of his family in all the RS on one of the most written-about figures of the last century? Do his biographies begin when he is adult & never cover his life with his wife and children? Johnbod (talk) 23:45, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Family of Mahatma Gandhi is obviously notable. Most of them have their own Wikipedia article and thinking of John also applies here. -- Harshil ^{want to talk?} 16:00, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Does everybody listed in the article have a Wikipedia page? If not, you are unnecessarily dragging them into the public sphere. It could be a WP:BLP issue too. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:47, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is another wierd and wrongheaded argument, given there are currently only a few words on any of his family, and nobody is in much of a hurry to add more, it seems! Future potential problems are not a valid Afd rationale. Johnbod (talk) 23:45, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

But all of his sons and many grandsons have article of their own. It’s written nowhere that all family members should have article to have article on family. Family is notable and many of family members too. — Harshil ^{want to talk?} 02:45, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

See presumption of privacy. I said, "I don't see how this article meets WP:GNG". To prove me wrong, all you guys have to do is to produce two reliable sources that provide substantial coverage of the "Gandhi family" as defined in this article. Until you do so, you don't have a notable topic. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:10, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Among the many things you don't seem to have noticed is that so far I am the nearest thing you have to a supporter in this discussion! Regarding as defined in this article, note that the entire content relating to the family currently in the article is: "The Gandhi family is the family of Mohandas Gandhi (2 October 1869 – 30 January 1948). ... [skip a load of guff about his nicknames]... Gandhi's family consists of him, his wife and his five sons(He had another son who died within the few days after birth)." You notably don't make any claim that there is no substantial coverage of the "Gandhi family", because of course there is, tons of it. Johnbod (talk) 17:17, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge back, especially the family tree. This is not the same family as the politicians. Bearian (talk) 20:31, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merge what "back" where? The tree is already at Mahatma Gandhi (as mentioned above). Johnbod (talk) 23:45, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: 21 members of the family in Category:Mahatma Gandhi family currently have WP articles. A common page for all them is very much inline with our rules of co-existence of categories and lists/articles. The article can be target of various other members too who dont have standalone article but deserve mention in an encyclopedia. For example; Gandhi's grandfather Uttamchand Gandhi was a dewan / diwan. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 14:04, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. A notable and totally legitimate subject. My very best wishes (talk) 02:21, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Thinking about this, the page should be kept and any discussion about whether an article or a list is preferable (my preference would be a list), should be on the talk page. --Enos733 (talk) 04:35, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: With some work this page can evolve into something very helpful on the lines of Nehru–Gandhi family, give many individuals listed in the page already have wikipedia pages. This would bring clarity and context to a reader who would others find it difficult to piece together with only the invividual articles. Arunram (talk) 16:29, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep having read through the nomination and delete votes again I can’t see a string enough case for deletion. Mccapra (talk) 05:42, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.