Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Warlocks of the Fates

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. If even the one "keep" opinion admits that this "has issues with the sources" then there's really only one way this AfD can go. Sandstein 21:51, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Warlocks of the Fates

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Unreleased video game that fails the notability guidelines. Out of the 18 sources used in this article, only four are actually reliable - the rest are just fansites or file-sharing websites like Github. Could find pretty much nothing on places like Internet Archive or Mobygames (who doesn't even have an entry for this game). Namcokid 47 ^(Contribs) 17:44, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 17:45, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 17:57, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I am leaning delete for now since the only reliable coverage that seems to be actually in-depth is the Neo Geo Freak magazine one. The rest of them are blogs, unreliable or passing mentions/announcements in other magazines. I did a cut for some of those (that also made a WP:REFBOMB in the development section). It's nice to see an actual try to have an article about a Japanese cancelled video game, so I will abstain from voting for few days and come back to see if anything noteworthy has been found. For now, it seems like a failure of WP:GNG, and searching in Japanese and magazine archive led me to a dead end. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 20:45, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This article is about a notable unreleased Neo Geo title. The issue I had on doing it was that it is hard to look for sources about unreleased titles, especially Neo Geo games. I know people has issues with the sources listed on its article but my vote goes to keep it. I spent time looking for sources about it. Roberth Martinez (talk) 01:53, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That doesn't matter. There's plenty of articles here for cancelled video games, but a lot of those constitute reliability. Good examples are Project Dream, Voyager, and Starblade: Operation Blue Planet. They got significant coverage from reliable, third-party sources, where as The Warlocks of the Fates here has little other than some significant coverage in one magazine and some trivial mentions. Namcokid 47 ^(Contribs) 03:13, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment One magazine? There's Game Machine, Neo Geo Freak, CD Consoles and Neo Geo World (an extremely difficult-to-find Neo Geo magazine that featured the game in its second issue) So, there's four magazines in total, NOT one as you're impliyng. Its most likely as well that Micom BASIC Magazine (in their arcade game section) and Gamest also featured the game as well but since nobody has scanned them, finding 1995 issues its nearly impossible. I do what I can... Roberth Martinez (talk) 04:49, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

But how many of those actually offer significant coverage? Game Machine gives it a trivial mention, CD Consoles has a small blurb on it, and I can't verify Neo Geo World. That leaves Neo Geo Freak the only usable one you listed. Namcokid 47 ^(Contribs) 13:20, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Yes, there are four (now five with Game Machine) magazine publications but if you count the issues where the game and its developer (Astec21) was featured, there're actually seven reliable sources included in the article + the Nico Nico Douga video references, which is a notable video streaming site in Japan. I'm not trying to convince anybody here to not delete the article but saying that there's only four source is very petty in my opinion... Roberth Martinez (talk) 02:38, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don't really think you understand that the amount of reliable sources in an article doesn't automatically constitute reliability, it's if publications have covered this in-depth. Random mentions of this in magazines don't establish reliability. The Game Machine ref just mentions it. They didn't review it or anything, nor is there even really more than a paragraph about it. There's also flat-out unreliable sites like System-16 and fansites like "Neogeoforlife.com". I still think this fails the notability criteria. Namcokid 47 ^(Contribs) 03:13, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The good old WP:VG/RS custom Google search engine: first I typed "the warlocks of the fates" and got zero results. I figured I must've made a typo, so I copy-pasted the title. Again no results. The Japanese title, God Dragon War Record, didn't bring up any results either. So it isn't mentioned at all in any of the well-curated list of reliable sources. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 08:55, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Custom search engine will obviously lead you to knowhere. You have to type either "the warlovks of fates neo geo", "shinryu senki neo geo" or "神竜戦記" at Google. Roberth Martinez (talk) 00:19, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The custom search engine finds results in all websites that are marked as reliable by Wikipedia. Googling the terms you provided brought me nowhere. Namcokid 47 ^(Contribs) 00:22, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

KGRAMR, you've proven that WP:ITEXISTS (in a manner of speaking that is, considering it was cancelled during development), but no reliable sources have said anything about it and very little can be found about it in other sources. Clearly, there's no WP:SIGNIFICANT coverage. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 09:15, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete There's not really enough information in those four sources to make a decent article. The number of sources may be okay, but there's nothing in-depth. MiscellaneousMarginalia (talk) 16:04, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment ~~I wonder if KGRAMR, the creator of the article, would even comment about this. «“I'm Aya Syameimaru!”I„文々。新聞“I„userbako”» 09:28, 14 April 2020 (UTC)~~ I wonder if this article's becoming a draft again. «“I'm Aya Syameimaru!”I„文々。新聞“I„userbako”» 09:30, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to List of cancelled games for SNK consoles. To me, this is the best solution. «“I'm Aya Syameimaru!”I„文々。新聞“I„userbako”» 09:32, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - I don't a redirect is the best course of action. The game is not a plausable search term, and I doubt this will ever be able to have an article in the future. Namcokid47 ^(Contribs) 17:47, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    - Okay. «“I'm Aya Syameimaru!”I„文々。新聞“I„userbako”» 12:40, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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