Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Naples Players

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep and cleanup; there was a clear consensus to Keep, but the article really needs rewriting to comply with Wikipedia formatting standards. Walton^One 14:48, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Naples Players

Article about a NN community theatre in Florida. — Music Maker 5376 13:37, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:MUS and WP:ORG. -- Ssilvers 14:06, 14 September 2007 (UTC)--[reply]

Edit & Keep I would like to know exactly who makes a determination that we, as an organization, are "Not Notable"? We are one of the top three community theatre organizations in the entire United States, according to theAmerican Association of Community Theatre. We have made appropriate edits today to the article and category to make it not self-promotional and strictly encyclopedic and informational in nature. We are new to Wikipedia, and are learning as we go. We do not want to lose our foothold on our page, and will make whatever edits are necessary to keep the page. We apologize for any misunderstanding. Who is to say the users who marked our page for deletion are qualified to make a judgement that we are "not notable" as an organization and member of the Naples, Florida community? What criteria exists on Wikipedia to determine wether or not a theatrical organization is "notable" or not? There are other community theatre organizations on this site. We may be ignorant of the law at the present time, but if you educate us on it, we will follow it if you tell us what to do. Thank you for your attention, and please allow us to remain active with a page.--Coachman76 19:36, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment and Advice. My advice to you is that you start sourcing the heck out of the article right away. Go online and find 73 references for your article. Add them throughout the article with those little numbered footnotes that are so popular around here. Have a look at how other articles format references and then learn to write the formatting code--learn it yourself, don't expect any of the critics around here to help you. Have a look at this reference section in the article about Schwarzenegger: [1]. Pretty impressive, huh? Click the "edit" button for the entire article and see how the references are formatted throughout the text of the article. Then find the 73 references for your organization and pepper them throughout your article to make yourselves look really important. That's what matters around here: Finding dozens of outside sources that will attest to your being more than a pimple on the backside of the entertainment industry. Even if your references are local and tiny, editors around here will start voting for your article with the comment "Waddaya mean!? Delete??? It's got 73 references, dude!" There are college professors around here who have their own articles describing them as "architects" just because in 1975 they designed a layout for public restrooms. Why don't they get deleted? They reference, reference, reference! Now have at it, and good luck. Qworty 20:35, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep (but don't let that stop anyone from sourcing and improving the article). 54-year old, professional theater, full season, covered in local news, gets reviews, often wins "best" in SW Florida award. This is not the kind of stuff we should be deleting. Wikidemo 21:11, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- Comment: They are a community theatre by Coachman's own admission, not professional. — Music Maker 5376 21:39, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete 562 google hits for "The Naples Players" and 10,600 hits for "Naples Players" says it all really. -Toon⁰⁵ 22:57, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. There are plenty of references there to support the article. Qworty 04:44, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep but Edit & Drop the "The" by moving the article to Naples Players. Google ignores "the" anyway unless you put the whole thing in quotes. This Floridian says keep it. clariosophic 02:16, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. There's more than enough out there for the article to be properly referenced. Qworty 04:44, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep & Reference Thank you all so much for the feedback. This Wiki Newbie appreciates it. I am in the process of citing our references for the article, and will thoroughly and properly reference it. And I will drop the "The" out of our title. Yes, we're a community organization, I've made no secret of that, but I fail to see what that has to do with anything. There are other community theatres with pages on Wikipedia. There are local community High Schools throughout the USA, regional universities, references to fast food chains which are only available in certain areas of the country such as White Castle (restaurant) or Del Taco. My point is I've never seen any rule here that says because something is "regional" or exclusive to one part of the country or the world is grounds for disqualifying it for inclusion here. We have been named (and I will cite this) the best live theatre in Southwest Florida four years running by the Naples Daily News. That includes an area that includes "professional" theatres in Fort Myers, and touring venues that host National Tours of Broadway Productions. I don't mean to be boastful, I'm just making the point that we are more than notable and worthy of an article here. I am working on grouping and citing the references as we speak, and should have the article fully referenced in the next day or two. --Coachman76 16:04, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep A community theatre group that has been around for over 50 years and is this well established is definitely something notable. I've worked with community theatre groups for years, and I can tell you that simply because one has the label of "community theatre" does not mean it isn't notable. I am certain we can find the necessary references. -- Ned Scott 06:38, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Some articles I created have been the target of overzealous editors on this site. Usually it was them aganst the world as it is here. Anyway community organizations like this one are important and becoming incresingly rare. Such bonding fabrics of our human nature are fading, being replaced with suburban sprawl and big-box retailers. The community of Naples is small but a vibrant enclave of the arts. This theatre group seems to play a large part in that distinction. -Blaze33541 00:51, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.