Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Syed Mohammed Hamza Ashraf Kichochawi

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The result was delete. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 02:55, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Syed Mohammed Hamza Ashraf Kichochawi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)

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32 year old cleric. The son of Syed Mohammed Madni Ashraf and filling roles within his father's organization. Does not meet GNG. Eostrix  (^{🦉 hoot} _hoot🦉) 07:00, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, This page should not be speedily deleted because, it is providing information about an important personality about whom people (particularly of the Indian subcontinent) are eager to know. As you described that “32 year cleric”, an Islamic Ischolar doesn’t become cleric with his age but with his Ilm, and you said that ‘’filling roles within his father's organization”, that’s true, he is vice president of Shaikhul Islam Trust, for this read references mentioning here- ^{[1][2] [3]} He is a great personality and a prominent muslim leader and he has a thousands of followers and Murids not only in India but worldwide. Further it may be very helpful for researchers in the field of mysticism, so this page should not be speedily deleted, and deletion tag should be removed immediately.Indimpdd (talk) 07:31, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Coverage is passing and mainly in the context of his father.--Eostrix  (^{🦉 hoot} _hoot🦉) 13:04, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I cannot find any significant independent coverage by mainstream reliable sources for his father either, only mentions in passing or trivial mentions, like he is going to be a speaker at some event.-- Toddy1 (talk) 13:58, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep there is sufficient coverage for an article. Someone with Urdu-language and Muslim-naming conventions should add some local non-English news sources to the article. Patapsco913 (talk) 08:48, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep This Personality is notable as one can find sources in Hindi and Urdu languages regarding him, thanksMajun e Baqi (talk) 11:22, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think a problem with this person is that his name can be written several different ways (which is typical for Islamic naming as they trace ancestry and titles) as well as the fact that most coverage is likely going to be in Urdu. Could you provide some links to sources? If I look on youtube, there seems to be a lot of coverage so I would expect that there should be something in local languages. Patapsco913 (talk) 14:36, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely right, here is the link of prominent newspaper The Siasat Daily in urdu language of him- ^[1], if you translate and read this reference then you will clearly know that he is son of Syed Mohammed Madni Ashraf.Indimpdd (talk) 16:28, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The newspaper is great - but the tiny article is not an example significant coverage.-- Toddy1 (talk) 16:46, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There are more reference on page check them too, not only The Siasat Daily but Star of Mysore,Dainik Jagran are also prominent newspaper of India, you should translate and check them too.Indimpdd (talk) 08:37, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete There is no significant coverage of him in independent mainstream reliable sources (at least in English). India has quite a lot of English-language online-newspapers, so if he were notable, you would expect to find significant coverage of him in them. Instead there are only passing mentions, examples of which are cited by the article.-- Toddy1 (talk) 11:51, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep User:Toddy1, Star of Mysore is also a notable newspaper and the news is in English only, if he couldn't be notable then his news won't be published on such notable newspaper, see this- ^[2]Indimpdd (talk) 14:01, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The problem with the newspaper article you mention,[1] is that it is a trivial mention. The newspaper article is two sentences long. It is not an example of significant coverage.-- Toddy1 (talk) 14:06, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Indimpdd: I struck the !vote above as you already voted. As Toddy1 astutely said, that brief blurb saying he is in town is not significant coverage.--Eostrix  (^{🦉 hoot} _hoot🦉) 15:25, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not only this reference but there are 3 more references you may see before i mentioned , read them also.Indimpdd (talk) 16:07, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

comment His father is as notable as his son, kindly see Madni Miyan talk page on the discussion of his father's notability, lolMajun e Baqi (talk) 17:46, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 08:28, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 08:28, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 08:28, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete I see this man as being similar to Muhammad Tahir ul Qadir’s son Hassan Mohi-ud-Din Qadri. He is a senior office holder in his dad’s organisation with no independent notability aside from his dad and his dad’s organisation. Maybe that will change, but for now he’s not notable. Sorry. George Custer's Sabre (talk) 06:29, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There is no relation with Muhammad Tahir ul Qadir’s and his son Hassan Mohi-ud-Din Qadri, i think that page should not be mentioned here and this matter is differ from that, he is vice president of Shaikhul Islam Trust, this trust is managed by him only because he is spiritual successor and son of Syed Mohammed Madni Ashraf, as i earlier sayed that he is a well known Islamic Scholar, from Ashrafi Sufi Order. He is a great personality and a prominent muslim leader and he has a thousands of followers and Murids not only in India but worldwide. Further it may be very helpful for researchers in the field of mysticism.Indimpdd (talk) 11:49, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

-- Toddy1 (talk) 10:58, 19 July 2020 (UTC), update 12:05, 19 July 2020 (UTC), 2nd update 11:06, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete non notable --Devokewater @ 13:30, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• comment For notability discussion please read above discussion's.Indimpdd (talk) 15:10, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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