Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Swami sukhabodhananda

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. A general consensus has been established in this discussion that the subject satisfy relevant notability criteria, and relevant improvements are made to the article. Der yck C. 21:52, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Swami sukhabodhananda

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PROD tag was removed by a user. Sources exist. The article is written like a fansite, and I don't know if the person is notable enough to warrant a standalone article in Wikipedia. Important information like Birth are unsourced. Novice7 (talk) 14:45, 25 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - coverage in multiple reliable sources, so article is warranted. Examples : [1]. I can't find any English language sources which cover him in great detail, but I presume there are a lot of non-English language sources, and the length of "sukhabodhananada" results in a lot of different transliterations. --Anthem of joy (talk) 15:33, 25 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sometimes they spell Swami as Swamy.[2] He gets brief mention there and in a Google news search for "Swami Sukhabodhanada". Searching for just his name shows them quoting him on an issue [3] and calling him "Swami H.H. Sukhabodhananda". They say he is the founder of the Prasanna Trusta. Still searching. Dream Focus 22:58, 25 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A video on YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTSiedu900U mentions in its description text "Swami Sukhabodhananda, the best-selling author who has sold over a million books, is an international management and spiritual guru". Can we confirm he sold that many books? Is there a bestseller's list in India or somewhere that keeps track of international sales? Dream Focus 23:06, 25 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A few newspapers like The Hindu and Hindustan Times publish their own best sellers list. There are no sources for sales as far as I know. This says he's sold over a million. Novice7 (talk) 07:25, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep - References added, started copyedit. Needs more work fpr NPOV; his description as it appears in Aastha TV has a more encyclopedic tone. His books have appeared in many Indian languages; I see that one is in its 7th edition. If you have good sound quality on your speakers, try the .mp3 links on the Dada.net site. Can you do a rendition of the Gayatri Mantra that sounds like that? He sings well enough to draw an audience on that basis alone. This fellow is something of a hybrid between management/self help speaker, singer, and traditional Vedantic guru. I believe he has appeared at the Sri Venkateshwara temple in Pittsburgh, largest temple in the US, but can't find a cite quickly.

Many of the articles at this link appear legitimate, if someone would look through them. I've put out a request for help at WikiProject Hinduism, esp. with the non-English content. Trilliumz (talk) 00:45, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Is the mp3 link permitted per Wiki policies and guidelines? I can read Malayalam and some of those articles are just articles written by him. I'm not determined to get this article deleted, it seemed really bad before. I also feel (as Wikidas wrote below) writing a book or being mentioned in news does not imply he's notable enough. Novice7 (talk) 07:17, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Delete - The incidental mentioning of him does not support notability claim. Subject being mentioned is not a sufficient reason for inclusion. Reason for inclusion would be if he was subject of study published by a reliable source. The arguments above do not represent the policy thus "strong" vote from me. Wikid ^as© 06:23, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The Times of India gives him coverage. [4] The Week Magazine is quoted also as having covered him. On his official website [5] it says: "Swamiji was invited as a dignitary on five different panels at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland and was a special invitee to the United Nation World Millennium Summit of spiritual Leaders." Sounds notable to me. The United Nations doesn't just invite anyone at random, they have to be notable. Dream Focus 12:39, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Just found cite for Millenium World Peace Summit at UN. (Talk page sums up argument for inclusion better than my non-expert attempt at working through WP policies below.) Trilliumz (talk) 15:24, 28 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Notability at this point is WP:ANYBIO, A. On the basis of reliable independent sources documenting "well-known and significant award or honor," 1) speaking at Davos World Economic Forum, 2) 2010 World Sustainable Development Forum, 3) Karnataka's Best Social Service Award. B. For "widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in his or her specific field."; on the basis of "Widely recognized," 1) author of books available in Kannada, Tamil, Gujarati, Marathi; one source suggests 1 million in sales; 1 audiobook narrated by well-known actor 2) author of columns published in major Indian newspapers 3) RS for satellite radio appearances; C. on the basis of "Enduring historical contribution to the field": 1) Cited as example of Vedantic philosophy used by Indian management speakers in US, 2) cited as leading example of the new generation of gurus in Bangalore 3) Cited in an academic study of syncretism in the early years of a large US Hindu temple due to his contemporary, comparative religion/psychological approach 4) Cited material from a wide variety of popular sources provides context for his synthesis of traditional Indian culture with Western popular psychology/business. Points raised in prior comments on depth of coverage of individual sources are well taken. So far, the info I'm turning up free on the Web in major Indian papers doesn't suggest notability on WP:BASIC alone; the 2 in-depth articles are from the "Life Positive" holistic magazine. Any input available from experts regarding alternate spellings, or whether major academic studies are readily available for this sort of person in India, WP:BIAS?

More of this bio checks out than I expected. WP:POTENTIAL, esp. with help from Indian language editors / password-protected sources. Trilliumz (talk) 05:15, 28 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy Keep The nomination does not make a sensible argument for deletion. Please see our editing policy. Warden (talk) 21:49, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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