Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/St Fidelis College, Lucknow
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. Mailer Diablo 11:50, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm also nominating St. fidelis college, as it is about the same educational institution. May these articles survive the AfD the should be merged. The school mentioned in the articles is middle school not a high-school. Hence, I suggest this be deleted by the policy that wikipedia is not a web directory (of schools in this case). -- Koffieyahoo 00:47, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Delete Article includes name of Past principals and old and famous teachers which is not relevant. It gives no info on the school at all. looks like some student wrote it. --Ageo020 01:15, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- According to the article, it does sound like what would be the equivalent of a high school in India. It really would be nice to keep this article to reduce systemic bias. The question though is whether it's verifiable. I think it can be. Keep if references added before end of AfD. JYolkowski // talk 02:27, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. As per JYolkowski this is a high school, despite the nominator stating otherwise. I agree that including schools from India in wikipedia help to fight systemic bias.--Nicodemus75 03:40, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I find this phrasing on the border of a personal attack, as if I only vote delete on non-western high-schools (which is not the case). Having said that, disregarding the text in the article which is not sourced by of the links in the article the only thing I can go on wrt to the status of the institution is this: [1], which mentions that the school is a minor institution and that's not a high-school in my book (please say so if I'm wrong). -- Koffieyahoo 04:24, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- I have no idea what you are talking about with the suggestion of a personal attack. I have no idea how or what you vote on (nor do I care). The link you provide clearly states: "The medium of instruction from K.G. I to Class XII is English, Hindi is a compulsory subject." This schools is Kindergarten through Grade 12, using North American terms.--Nicodemus75 04:36, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I find this phrasing on the border of a personal attack, as if I only vote delete on non-western high-schools (which is not the case). Having said that, disregarding the text in the article which is not sourced by of the links in the article the only thing I can go on wrt to the status of the institution is this: [1], which mentions that the school is a minor institution and that's not a high-school in my book (please say so if I'm wrong). -- Koffieyahoo 04:24, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: It's a fairly anonymous institution that happens to not be in the US. It's not too much to ask that people write about the culturally significant features of their nations, and making excuses for such articles based solely upon exoticism is a confirmation of systemic bias. Geogre 04:15, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per JYolkowski, although additional references would be nice. Silensor 04:51, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep some references exist; I'll fix the formatting now. CP/M comm |Wikipedia Neutrality Project| 09:39, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Needs some work but worthy enough of own article, in consideration of strong precedent to include schools.--Auger Martel 11:40, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak keep as per JYolkowski Dlyons493 Talk 13:34, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. It's a stub. It was just created yesterday. Give it some time. --Usgnus 14:22, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Would you say the same if I wrote a stub about my house? Or my cat? The article is not nominated because it's a stub, it's nominated because the subject is fundamentally inappropriate for an encyclopedia. However much time this article is given, and however wonderful a description of an ordinary school it becomes, it will still be a description of an ordinary school, and encyclopedia articles are not the same thing as school prospectuses. — Haeleth Talk 18:33, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Your house and your cat would presumably fail WP:V, this institution does not.--Nicodemus75 18:45, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Would you say the same if I wrote a stub about my house? Or my cat? The article is not nominated because it's a stub, it's nominated because the subject is fundamentally inappropriate for an encyclopedia. However much time this article is given, and however wonderful a description of an ordinary school it becomes, it will still be a description of an ordinary school, and encyclopedia articles are not the same thing as school prospectuses. — Haeleth Talk 18:33, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep — At first I thought this school was too small, but I tracked down an Indian annual report from 2003-2004 that says they have 1500 students. Based on that and the current page, I think this meets my personal criteria for notability. The St. fidelis college page could be merged here then redirected. Thanks. — RJH (talk) 16:37, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Merged. Can't redirect until Afd is finished. --Usgnus 17:00, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete; even in India, it's just another ordinary school, doing a wonderful job of equipping children for life, but doing so in the same way as uncountable schools worldwide. — Haeleth Talk 18:33, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Pretty much true of census-designated places in the United States as well. — RJH (talk)
- Keep and allow for organic growth. Bahn Mi 22:01, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. It appears this is a comprehensive or high school. Either one is notable. Erechtheus 23:52, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep this one and redirect the miscapitalized one. A nice start here! Jacqui★ 02:28, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - Schools are always notable. What better place than an encyclopedia for a parent looking for neutral information about a school for his kid. We have many featured articles about schools and this could be one too in the future -- Lost 10:39, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Category:High schools in the United States seems to suggest that being "just another ordinary school" is no bar to being considered notable enough for Wikipedia. -- Arvind 11:34, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. The school strength is more than 2000 students and 70 teachers. It is a prominent high school in the city of Lucknow and it deserves a page on wikipedia. --punni7um
- Keep Clearly a notable institution. Piccadilly 13:41, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep This is a school. Schools are always notable as said above. This has been established by the School Project. End of discussion. Orangehead 14:59, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment by the nominator. I'm starting to find this quite amusing: I as the nominator didn't mention anything about the notability of the school and neither did anyone of the people who suggested delete. However, most of the people in support of keeping the article do so on the basis that the school is notable. I cannot conclude anything other than that they haven't read what was written before they stated their suggestion of what to do with this article, which goes explicitly against the instructions that accompany AfDs. Hence, for this reason and also for the reason that notability isn't part of the set criteria for articles about schools, I strongly urge the closing nominator the disregard all the "keeps" based solely on notability. -- Koffieyahoo 01:14, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Koffieyahoo, may I request you to elaborate on the reason for your nomination then. You had written a reason about it being a primary school, which you have since struck. You point to WP:NOT which is very generic. There are many other school articles here. Can you explain how this one fits into WP:NOT and the others dont? -- Lost(talk) 03:26, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment You provide a non-argument for inclusion, every article should be evaluated for its own merit. However, all the other almost empty school articles which basically only provide the location of the school plus some info on former head masters/teachers and the curriculum shouldn't be here either for exactly the same reason, but it is "not done" in this community to nominate them all at once. -- Koffieyahoo 04:23, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- If I understand this correctly, the article is up on AFD because its a stub? Weren't most featured articles started as stubs at one point of time? If having very little info is the reason for afd, I would still recommend keeping the article to allow time for organic growth. -- Lost(talk) 04:56, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment It's a directory entry, and, yes, currently also a stub. Moreover, at the moment it also lacks any references to any non-trivial published works, which is extemely important in the context of any encyclopedia. Also, AfDs are about the current merits of articles, not about what they can potentially be in the future. -- Koffieyahoo 05:11, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, let me direct you to Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Problem articles where deletion may not be needed. Specifically, please see point no. 2 for current vs. potential. If you are worried about it being a directory entry, I recommend adding {{cleanup}} (point no. 6). If lack of references is a concern, {{cleanup-verify}} is the tag to add (point no. 10). Others are welcome to comment, of course -- Lost(talk) 05:34, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment It's a directory entry, and, yes, currently also a stub. Moreover, at the moment it also lacks any references to any non-trivial published works, which is extemely important in the context of any encyclopedia. Also, AfDs are about the current merits of articles, not about what they can potentially be in the future. -- Koffieyahoo 05:11, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- If I understand this correctly, the article is up on AFD because its a stub? Weren't most featured articles started as stubs at one point of time? If having very little info is the reason for afd, I would still recommend keeping the article to allow time for organic growth. -- Lost(talk) 04:56, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment You provide a non-argument for inclusion, every article should be evaluated for its own merit. However, all the other almost empty school articles which basically only provide the location of the school plus some info on former head masters/teachers and the curriculum shouldn't be here either for exactly the same reason, but it is "not done" in this community to nominate them all at once. -- Koffieyahoo 04:23, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Koffieyahoo, may I request you to elaborate on the reason for your nomination then. You had written a reason about it being a primary school, which you have since struck. You point to WP:NOT which is very generic. There are many other school articles here. Can you explain how this one fits into WP:NOT and the others dont? -- Lost(talk) 03:26, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
(deindent) Update: If the existence of the school is in question, here's a reliable source (Govt of India website) mentioning the school as being affiliated to ICSE [2] -- Lost(talk) 07:51, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I'm not worried at all about the existence of the school, what I am worried about is getting the article above the level of a directory entry. Personally, I don't see that this will happen by the simple lack of reliable, verifiable sources on any other information added. That's also why I sent it to AfD and have not just tagged it appropriately. I thought this would have been clear implicitly, but apparently not. -- Koffieyahoo 08:00, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- keep please article looks good and is not a directory entry Yuckfoo 23:02, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.