Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/South Bengal

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. I'm conflicted how to close this. There is a claim that this fails WP:V, which is a requirement that needs to be interpreted strictly. On the other hand, nobody is claiming that "South Bengal" doesn't exist. Just that the name hasn't reached a level of acceptance as an official place name. From the arguments here, I can't convince myself that either camp is completely correct.

So, going to call this No Consensus. It seems clear that this needs editing, and better sourcing, but for now I don't see a strong enough argument here to delete it. My recommendation is for people to work on the article and perhaps re-evaluate it in a few months if there's no improvement. -- RoySmith (talk) 16:46, 9 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Not verifiable. Has cited no sources since created in 2011. Not a legally recognized place. Anyone can stick "south" on the name of a region, but that doesn't create a notable topic. The ngram hardly registers in Google Books (42 uses since 1995). As often as not it's not capitalized, indicating that it is at most an informal term that has not attained proper-name status. In no case is it used to mean what the article defines it as - a cross-border region including parts of Bangladesh and parts of the state of West Bengal in India. Worldbruce (talk) 01:47, 15 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Worldbruce (talk) 01:48, 15 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bangladesh-related deletion discussions. Worldbruce (talk) 01:48, 15 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 08:17, 15 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• leaning keep sourcing is an issue but searching reveals lots of usage. We do need someone to spell out roughly what people think of as the south, even if they don't capitalize it. Note that this issue crops up in the main Bengal article, which spells out regions without any sourcing, in the same manner. Mangoe (talk) 17:53, 15 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • It would be great if someone could supply a definition from a gazetteer, atlas, or other reliable source; I couldn't find one. Raw Google hits alone are an unconvincing argument for inclusion. There are plenty of Ghits for "east Carolina" and "west Carolina", for example, but Wikipedia wisely doesn't have articles on those terms. Thanks for pointing out the repetition in the Bengal article, I've tagged it there. --Worldbruce (talk) 20:24, 15 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong keep --- The river Ganges (Padma) forms the boundary between North and South Bengal and this concept is way older than modern Indian republic and Bangladesh.#

"Anyone can stick "south" on the name of a region"--- OH YA! almost every Bangladeshi and indian, especially indian bengali news agencies have editing section for "South Bengal". More:

• South Bengal State Transport Corporation
• South Bengal Frontier
• South Bengal College Keshabpur, Bangladesh

−Gaurh (talk) 10:22, 20 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete This is a conjectural name. While sometimes used informally in the media, there is no specific definition or academic usage. The usage is also not widespread enough that it has attracted attention. An article created about this would be original research--DreamLinker (talk) 14:01, 21 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Rewrite or Delete - The article is mostly original research; however the term South Bengal is not neologism either. This puts us in a dilemma. If you ask about North Bengal, my position would be strong keep, since 'North Bengal' has well defined meaning and has wide official, academic and casual use. In contrast, 'South Bengal' is seldom used in official or academic literature and is sometimes casually used to refer to southern divisions (Khulna Division and Barisal Division) in Bangladesh and most of the southern parts of West Bengal. (Note: In Bangladesh, southern parts of West Bengal is never referred to as South Bengal but almost always as West Bengal.) The geographic area which this term refers to is vague and wildly varies. If the article exists, it should be totally rewritten just covering the use of this term and not a geographic region itself. --nafSadh did say 19:13, 22 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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