Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sore Thumbs

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete as multiple independent published reliable sources about the subject could not be found, so notability to WP:WEB standards was not demonstrated. GRBerry 22:08, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sore Thumbs

Unreferenced article, no assertion of notability. Please don't let this turn into WP:ILIKEIT. Does not meet notability (per WP:WEB. /Blaxthos 18:15, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete As nominator. /Blaxthos 10:01, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Looks like a fine comic, but no independent sources to show notability. Edison 18:30, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It is written by Chris Crosby, who runs Keenspot. Just that would make me deem it notable. Superosity, by the same guy, also has an article. --Johan Tenge - /spit 22:43, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - So we should keep the article because of who wrote it? AFAIK that's not how we measure notability. Honestly, all the articles you listed seem to serve the same purpose (self promotion). FWIW I've also AfD'd the other articles you mentioned. See WP:WEB. /Blaxthos 02:25, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I believe Johan meant the strip is written by Crosby, not the article. And works of a notable author are often themselves notable primarily for that reason. Powers ^T 03:58, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fails WP:WEB. GassyGuy 15:49, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep External links show it meets notability guidelines. 66.35.99.183 01:56, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Existance of external links does not satisfy WP:WEB. /Blaxthos 10:01, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The Comics Buyers Guide review (reference supplied in External Links) satisfies Criteria 1 of WP:WEB, as do the print collections themselves. 66.35.99.183 12:47, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Clear Delete, fails pretty much all our content policies as Wikipedia is not an internet guide and this is original research with no third-party reliable sources, let alone enough to write from a neutral point of view. This also fails the WP:WEB guideline, not that we could keep an article that meets a notability guideline but fails multiple content policies. The idea that "The Comics Buyers Guide review ... satisfies Criteria 1 of WP:WEB as do the print collections themselves" is incorrect. First, The Buyers Guide article doesn't even mention this webcomic. Second, the single brief mention on that web page of this comic is in a press release, and a single mention in a press release is not independent of the site, or non-trivial, or for that matter multiple non-trivial and independent. Third, the self-published book (with the Amazon sales rank of "none") is not an independent source either. My searches for non-trivial reliable third-party sources at my library have turned up nothing, let alone anything that suggests notability. -- Dragonfiend 07:40, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - You misunderstood the Comics Buyers Guide review I referred to. What I referred to was this index of Comics Buyers Guide reviews that lists Sore Thumbs Election Special 2004 as a previously reviewed title in said print magazine (the review itself does not appear to be available for viewing on the internet). Secondly, the Sore Thumbs book you link to is not yet published (despite Amazon's incorrect publication date), and to call it "self-published" is (arguably) somewhat of a misnomer, as its publisher (Keenspot) is only partially owned and run by Crosby. Past events indicate that he is in far from full control of what Keenspot publishes, such as his failed attempt to get his brother's comic "Pumpkin" accepted by Keenspot's board of directors, among other comics. 66.35.99.183 05:19, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That would still be far from meeting the WP:WEB guideline, let alone our content policies. -- Dragonfiend 14:34, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.