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The result was merge to List of hospital fires in Romania during the COVID-19 pandemic. Randykitty (talk) 10:28, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Socola hospital fire

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No indication of notability: one death and no other casualties, was only attended by two fire engines, article doesn’t mention any form of notability. greyzxq talk 11:53, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep second of a series of deadly hospital fires in Romania during the COVID-19 pandemic. In general there were over 10 hospital fires, though not all of them were deadly. All of this obviously provoked a scandal in Romania. There is a lot of sources talking about these fires [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7]. The Socola fire was also reported by major Romanian and Moldovan media outlets [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] (this one is the Romanian national news agency). Note as well that there still were media reports following the fire, see this article from 4 January 2021 [14] (not cited here, that is, there is still more room for expansion). There is no reason why this information should be erased from Wikipedia. Also, number of deaths does not define notability. Super Ψ Dro 12:05, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    If these fires happening during the COVID-19 pandemic is the only claim for notability, maybe create an article called Romanian COVID-19 hospital fires or something like that instead. Then you would be able to include all of the fires no matter their notability because the article clearly includes why it is notable. With this specific fire however, it is not notable enough for its own article, especially because there is only one casualty, and it didn’t cause much damage to the hospital because it only went on for an hour. Furthermore, all of the sources you have included are Romanian, meaning it didn’t get much - if any - international coverage. greyzxq talk 12:17, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    That it was deadly also adds up to notability. Hospital fires that caused no deaths don't have articles. Super Ψ Dro 13:00, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    A fire with just one death isn't notable though. greyzxq talk 13:50, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I am not interested in your opinion. Super Ψ Dro 14:05, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Merge, CT55555 has created a list page for the hospital fires. Apparently there was another deadly fire that I missed, which discourages me a bit on keeping this one as my aim was making pages for all the deadly fires. Also due to the clear support for merge. Super Ψ Dro 08:42, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:NOTNEWS and WP:SUSTAINED, contrary to what is claimed above I can not find any evidence that coverage of this fire lasted more than one news cycle, the Stirile Pro TV article is literally just a news report of the event with no new information added, and is clearly part of the same news cycle. Concur that a more general article on COVID-related Romanian hospital fires sounds like a good idea. Devonian Wombat (talk) 05:20, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Apparently I got both the link and the newspaper wrong as that Știrile Pro TV is from 25 December 2020. This is what I meant [15]. There's more articles since the initial wave. Super Ψ Dro 14:25, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment — nearly all direct coverage was in the first day, with a couple stories trickling in after a few days or weeks. And at just one death, it doesn’t appear notable. However, I agree we should explore an umbrella article about pandemic-era Romanian hospital fires. Some of the content from here could be merged there. — Biruitorul Talk 21:54, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge into new article about the string of fires, which does appear notable. —DIYeditor (talk) 23:44, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 00:58, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting after last relist didn't elicit any more participation. And, we can not Merge an existing article into a non-existing article. If that is your preference, then please create a new article as a Merge target.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 00:47, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Since the hospital fires don't seem to be related, is a new article about the string of fires warranted? Is there any coverage that links all 3 fires and reports on them as a series/string of incidents? Mooonswimmer 20:09, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist. Those wanting a Merge should create an article this can be merged into or it might simply be deleted.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 00:43, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, I cannot decide on notability, but in case this helps: List of hospital fires in Romania during the COVID-19 pandemic. Of course anyone can change the formatting to make it more narrative if they want. CT55555(talk) 02:06, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and merge: Keep but merge to an existing article about incidents of fires, which are notable. -- StarryNightSky11 ☎ 03:20, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: This is an article about a very local event which passes neither GNG nor NEVENT. There's no diversity of sources, no lasting impact, and no assertion this tragedy is more important than any other such minor incident. It's fine with me if the phenomenon of Romanian fires due to Covid can muster enough sources as an article to pass GNG, but only if sources are presented the multiple fires have been treated together by RS as notable phenomenon, AND the phenomenon meets NEVENT. I'm not seeing that myself, but my inability to speak the language handicaps me doing a reasonable BEFORE. If this were a similar hospital fire the US, I think it unlikely to meet NEVENT regardless of available RS. BusterD (talk) 22:17, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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