Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sloan Science in Film Awards

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:35, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sloan Science in Film Awards

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Article about a film award, not properly referenced as passing inclusion criteria for events. As always, awards are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because they exist, and have to be shown to pass WP:GNG and WP:ORGDEPTH on third-party media coverage about them -- analysis about their impact, evidence that the media consider the award to be significant enough to cover the presentation as news, etc. -- but apart from one media hit (which isn't enough by itself) this is otherwise referenced entirely to a reference-bombed cluster of 248 primary sources, mostly its own self-published website about itself but occasionally streaming copies of the films on YouTube or Vimeo, none of which are valid support for notability at all.
Simply existing isn't "inherently" notable enough to exempt this from having to have proper GNG-worthy coverage about it in real media independent of its own self-created web presence. Bearcat (talk) 22:27, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Update: the article's now up to 425 footnotes, instead of 248 at the time of nomination yesterday, but even the new stuff is still almost entirely primary sources rather than third-party coverage. Bearcat (talk) 17:01, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. I honestly think the article should be deleted though. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 17:34, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Film, Awards, and United States of America. Bearcat (talk) 22:27, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The fact that there's a whopping 317 sources coming from pretty much the same site, and that one of them isn't even properly referenced, just shows that the user who created the page needs to learn that there's other sources they can find. I would suggest probably (but not sure) the New York Times. I don't know if they talk about science, but something like that works.
NoobThreePointOh (talk) 23:56, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Science and Technology. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 00:14, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I thought that I had found some sources, but they turned out to be about the more specific topic of the Alfred P. Sloan Prize. Uncle G (talk) 05:27, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:TNT. While I found sources for these awards in industry publications (such as Deadline, Variety, and The Hollywood Reporter) and was leaning to support, I'm realizing these are a bunch of different programs that just so happen to be administered by the same foundation. The three linked articles cover a prize at Sundance (which already has its own article), grants and fellowships, and student awards, each of which is distinct. As best as I can tell, the "Sloan Science in Film Awards" are exclusively the awards and grants presented at Sundance; this article synthesizes a scope that goes well beyond that. Since the entire scope of the article needs to be reworked, it's probably best to delete it and start over. RunningTiger123 (talk) 03:04, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll refine what I said after more research: the Sloan Science in Film Awards seems to be a term sometimes used for awards from Sloan Science & Film, which presents lots of awards each year. (A search for "Sloan Science in Film Awards" in quotes gets a few hits from Sundance, hence my original comment, but I don't think it's the sole term for those Sundance awards.) The awards are unrelated outside the foundation sponsoring them. It would be okay to mention the different awards at the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation article, but not to create a separate article with all of these awards, as they aren't a singular notable topic. Also, if the list is kept, it should be trimmed significantly with stricter selection criteria. RunningTiger123 (talk) 03:23, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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