Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Skirmish at the Chukchi Peninsula

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The result was merge‎ to Vega Expedition. Owen× ☎ 21:02, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Skirmish at the Chukchi Peninsula

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Seems like a non-event where the vast majority of the page is about things before and after which are largely unrelated to the skirmish. A misunderstanding, some shots, no casualties, that's it. A very minor episode in the Vega Expedition, not even mentioned there until you added the "see also" for it. Fram (talk) 13:51, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History, Russia, and Sweden. Fram (talk) 13:51, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What if it was re-named to "Stay at the chukchi peninsula" Dencoolast33 (talk) 14:07, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I prefer "Incident at the Chukchi peninsula" skirmish might exaggerate the events while "Incident" does not. Gvssy (talk) 14:31, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But the name doesn't solve the lack of notability; the whole incident isn't even mentioned in the first source, a description of the expedition[1]. Nor is it described in the more extensive second source about the expedition[2]. I can't find it at page 10 of the third source[3], which was the page given as the reference. It seems to appear at page 19, where one crew member describes it, while the "skirmish" is missing from the diaries of two other crew members who just say that they encountered the local people. Fram (talk) 14:53, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

According to the article, shots were fired at the Chukchis. However, page 19 of [4] suggests – to me at least – that the shot was fired (probably in the air) to restore order either while, or before, the Chukchis were aboard. In that case, it would probably not be seen a skirmish or anything alike. The citation "Nordenskiöld (1880)" leads me nowhere to confirm; is a proper skirmish described in there? If not, I'll support the removal of the article (while some information could be moved to Vega Expedition). Imonoz (talk) 02:03, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I think it'd be entirely possible to write an encyclopdic article on the interactions/relationship between the Vega expeditions and the Chukchis who came into contact with it. There's the scholarly article by Åsa Olovsson, thirty pages focused on this topic, as well as other work. But the skirmish in itself is a very brief mention there, mentioned more or less in passing. I think there's a good foundation here, and that this article can be kept – but that it would be necessary to broaden the topic to the general relationship between the involved Swedes and Chukchis rather than this brief interaction. /Julle (talk) 17:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events and Military. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 19:56, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Vega Expedition. The parent article gives the relevant background information and is currently very short. Merging this information there will improve it. If the parent article expands significantly, then this can be again split to a separate article. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 07:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Vega Expedition. Procyon117 (talk) 15:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.