Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Singlish vocabulary (2nd nomination)

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The result was no consensus. Wily D 08:58, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Singlish vocabulary

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The list by itself, excluding the above parts of the page, is unnecessary, and plausibly dubious, being largely unreferenced. The referenced part is just text spun off from the parent page, Singlish. Wikipedia is not a listing of all dictionary terms. We could also trains wiki this to Wikitionary, as a second option. Bonkers The Clown (talk) 15:19, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Survived a 2006 AFD, somehow, but doesn't meet our modern expectations. From WP:WINAD, "Wikipedia is not a dictionary or a slang, jargon or usage guide." But that's exactly what this is, a slang dictionary and guide. Our article on Singlish already provides quite a bit of detail on slang construction, as well as the history and general grammar of the creole. That this is largely unreferenced, and leans very heavily on a single, specific source where it is referenced, are also points against retention. Most of the 2006 Keep !votes were variations on WP:ILIKEIT and WP:ITSUSEFUL. That may be true, but it still doesn't meet inclusion standards. Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 16:33, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and clean up. Plenty of scholarly literature on this subject. For example, after a quick search I found chapter 4 "Discourse and Lexis" in Singapore English by David Deterding. I agree that we should probably lose the list of words, as that is more Wiktionary's area, but there is plenty of scope here for an article that doesn't violate WP:WINAD. In fact, it's probably about time someone split the vocabulary section off from the main Singlish article and moved it here, as that article is more than 100k already. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{(have a chat)} 12:33, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The point is, after removing the list, the rest of the page is an exact copy of information in the Singlish page. That said, we can transwiki the list by itself, and merge the rest to the Singlish page. A split is not needed, methinks. Bonkers The Clown (talk) 14:02, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, I see I was looking at the "Singlish phrases" section in Singlish, rather than the "Vocabulary" section, which has already been split to Singlish vocabulary. I think Singlish phrases and Singlish vocabulary are close enough that we could incorporate them into one article, though. Maybe the rest of the grammar section (aside from "Singlish phrases") would be better split into Singlish grammar. In any case, merging anything to Singlish doesn't seem like a good idea because of its size. We have to think of the future possibilities for the article as well - Singlish vocabulary could be a fine article if we took selected entries from the word list and worked in commentary about Singlish vocabulary in general. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{(have a chat)} 14:45, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I agree that transwikiing the list to Wiktionary would be a good idea - wikt:Category:Singapore English is pretty thinly-populated at the moment. Not sure if they would want to make it an appendix or something as well. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{(have a chat)} 14:51, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and clean up offending material (by removal or transwikiing the list material with no explanations). The non-list sections are notable and useful. — AjaxSmack 01:07, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Singapore-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:35, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:35, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:35, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Transwiki the actual list to Wiktionary; that much I'm sure of. A list of words with their origins and definitions is a dictionary. As for the rest, merging somewhere seems appropriate, but as Strad points out Singlish is already more than 100k, which WP:SIZERULE suggests warrants splitting. Maybe merge the 'Singlish phrases' and 'Vocabulary' sections of Singlish with the first two sections of this page. As for the page name, I worry that "Singlish vocabulary" will invite re-creation of a list. I guess, though, that that concern can be dealt with through ordinary editing practices. Cnilep (talk) 04:16, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, a rename might be in order. Not quite sure what to yet, though. — Mr. Stradivarius on tour ^{(have a chat)} 05:59, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe... List of Singlish phrases/terms? Bonkers The Clown (talk) 06:59, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and clean up per Mr. Stradivarius. Having spent a lot of time in Singapore, I find the information here relevant, useful and well-researched..--Zananiri (talk) 14:07, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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