Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shoobie

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus. No consensus to delete. Whether the article should be redirected and merged elsewhere can be discussed on the talk page. Randykitty (talk) 22:56, 19 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Shoobie

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Not a very encyclopedic topic to begin with (the term has an entry on Wiktionary, where it seems better suited), and the article content is chiefly unverifiable. I haven't immediately found any credible sources that discuss the term or its origins at depth. – Juliancolton | ^Talk 03:37, 2 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep (very very weakly) as a dialect / regional language trivia item. but barely. and needs the WP:OR to be cleaned out. that might not be readily doable. Cramyourspam (talk) 13:01, 2 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - digging a bit deeper ("Not just a Jersey Shore thing: TV takes 'shoobies' national", July 6, 2002, The Philadelphia Enquirer) it seems the term "shoobie" popularized by Rocket Power in the early 2000s was "just made up" independently of the south-Jersey label. They both vaguely allude to annoying tourists, but I think the discrepancy further limits the potential for this article to ever make much sense. – Juliancolton | ^Talk 15:30, 2 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of New Jersey-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:22, 3 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:22, 3 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete. As much as I hate to see WP:NOTDICT thrown willy-nilly at language-related articles, the concept that shoobie describes is the day-tripper, albeit with added connotation of unfashionable or otherwise negative social position. On that score, I would be willing to entertain a WP:WORDISSUBJECT argument, but at the moment I don't think this word passes notability requirements. The word is, by the way, included in Regional vocabularies of American English; it's also at wikt:shoobie. Cnilep (talk) 06:48, 4 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually, my argument makes a case for redirect or selective merge to Day-tripper, doesn't it? Cnilep (talk) 23:01, 7 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep The New York Times provides several articles that cover the term, including this article from the On Language column in the Sunday Magazine that describes the term in detail, while this search from the Times shows it is one of at least ten articles that rather clearly use and define the term in the newspaper of record. Further south, Philadelphia magazine provides this article on the Shoobie phenomenon and this search of Google books brings up a dozen more references, at a minimum. A day-tripper is someone who takes a day trip, perhaps to the beach, but the nuance of Shoobie is as a pejorative used for a damned outsider from the perspective of the natives, not unlike someone being called a Haole in Hawaii. The use of Shoobie is thoroughly documented and clearly notable based on the scope and breadth of sources. Alansohn (talk) 16:16, 8 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per sources found by Alansohn.--cyclopia ^speak! 15:40, 9 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 17:20, 10 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This probably isn't going to gain a consensus to delete... not sure it needed to be relisted. – Juliancolton | ^Talk 19:02, 10 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.