Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Seichim
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Redirect to Reiki. Stifle (talk) 09:16, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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I am trained in this therapy and am good at finding WP:RS, so if the subject is worth it I could try to clean the article up, but I have brought it here as I think it may not have sufficient notability, and am interested in what other's opinions are. Sticky Parkin 00:06, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nominator unless reliable sources can be found. JBsupreme (talk) 20:26, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Here are the sources as I usually judge them, per google news, books and scholar. [1] [2][3]. The newspaper and most of the book mentions are relatively few, and not all that in depth, mainly just tagging the name of the therapy on after a mention of reiki and other available therapies. There are a few books on the subject itself but probably not by the best of presses. I wanted to get other's opinions on this little-edited article rather than work hard on something that might not be noteworthy enough to merit inclusion. It doesn't seem entirely clear cut to me but I thought I might not be able to judge that well as an occasional user of this therapy who spent money to learn it lol. P.S. Thanks for your !vote.:) Sticky Parkin 00:37, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Research has found this company is not notable doktorb wordsdeeds 20:41, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- It's not a company as such, it's an alternative therapy, -that's just a clarification for others, but thanks for your !vote and I perhaps agree.:) Sticky Parkin 21:25, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sticky Parkin 01:42, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply] Keep. A quick search turned up a book - [4], which in addition to what has already been found does indicate a lot of satisfatory research material, and a widespread use of this therapy. Part of the problem that other editors may have had in coming to a decision on this, is that there are a variety of different spellings for the term which may lead people to think there are less reliable sources out there than there are. SilkTork *YES! 13:52, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]- O my word! [5] that is an avalanche of books! That has to be the most amount of books which either have a section on a topic or are directly about a topic which has been brought to AfD. 38 books in total. Significantly notable! SilkTork *YES! 14:02, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- If you look, these books are about reiki, a system from which seichim mainly derives, or similar new age stuff, and only mention seichim as one of numerous practices derived from it. The few books on seichim itself are self-published, which means they're not WP:RS as the authors can write what they like, and anyway books actually mainly about the subject are very few. If this is kept you have to promise to help me improve this neglected article and add cites for its statements from WP:RS. :) If you look that link only shows three books devoted to seichim, the first two are self-published by "Celestial Wellspring" publications, the author's own business, [6] the other published by Llumina press , a self-publishing firm [7]. Both sources call it seichim-reiki, which shows it's similarity and derivation from reiki. I held a merge debate for it with reiki, as I don't consider it independently notable, but people didn't want it there. Sticky Parkin 17:17, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- You're right - I haven't gone through them all, but the first two I checked out are self-published. I think it's your call Sticky. You seem to have some knowledge and experience of this subject - certainly more than anyone who has come forward. From my quick research there's books out there which are about this therapy, and books which mention this therapy - though the quality of the books and their coverage needs examining. It's possible that it could be a section in the reiki article. So the choice now is - Delete, Keep or Merge to Reiki#Seichim. If you're uncertain - merge to Reiki#Seichim, see if it grows there, and if it does, at that point break it out in summary style into a standalone article - or really, just back into the page space now occupied by Seichim. SilkTork *YES! 19:33, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Oh I just checked and out of the three self-published books about this therapy, one hasn't been released yet, a release which has been promised for several years. I proposed a merge of the two articles but people didn't want it, some didn't think it was the same therapy, (which I suppose it isn't exactly) others didn't want more clutter in the reiki article. If this debate ends with a consensus that we should merge, we could probably go for it. I wanted other people's opinions, yes I know a bit about the therapy but I also know what indicates notability on wiki, and am not quite sure/dubious. So it depends on what any consensus decides.:) Sticky Parkin 23:42, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- You're right - I haven't gone through them all, but the first two I checked out are self-published. I think it's your call Sticky. You seem to have some knowledge and experience of this subject - certainly more than anyone who has come forward. From my quick research there's books out there which are about this therapy, and books which mention this therapy - though the quality of the books and their coverage needs examining. It's possible that it could be a section in the reiki article. So the choice now is - Delete, Keep or Merge to Reiki#Seichim. If you're uncertain - merge to Reiki#Seichim, see if it grows there, and if it does, at that point break it out in summary style into a standalone article - or really, just back into the page space now occupied by Seichim. SilkTork *YES! 19:33, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- If you look, these books are about reiki, a system from which seichim mainly derives, or similar new age stuff, and only mention seichim as one of numerous practices derived from it. The few books on seichim itself are self-published, which means they're not WP:RS as the authors can write what they like, and anyway books actually mainly about the subject are very few. If this is kept you have to promise to help me improve this neglected article and add cites for its statements from WP:RS. :) If you look that link only shows three books devoted to seichim, the first two are self-published by "Celestial Wellspring" publications, the author's own business, [6] the other published by Llumina press , a self-publishing firm [7]. Both sources call it seichim-reiki, which shows it's similarity and derivation from reiki. I held a merge debate for it with reiki, as I don't consider it independently notable, but people didn't want it there. Sticky Parkin 17:17, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- O my word! [5] that is an avalanche of books! That has to be the most amount of books which either have a section on a topic or are directly about a topic which has been brought to AfD. 38 books in total. Significantly notable! SilkTork *YES! 14:02, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect - This particular article has no RS (none at all actually), the section in the other article is IMO, better. --Lord₪Sunday 23:44, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.