Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sebastian (2011 film)

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The result was Userified as User:PF4Eva/Sebastian (2011 film); ok to move back when there are reliable published reviews or other sources . DGG ( talk ) 23:55, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sebastian (2011 film) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

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Small independent film with no second-party coverage and no evidence of release. It is probably WP:TOOSOON for this article. BOVINEBOY2008 16:29, 7 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep. Second-party sources right here:

http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/36006/dread-centrals-final-girls-lisa-wilcox

http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/36033/dread-central%E2%80%99s-final-girls-caroline-williams

http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/36091/final-girls-meg-foster

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS3M72UUGp0

(March 2, 2010 interview with director Gregori J. Martin, who talks about his projects, including Sebastian.)

From the Examiner:

http://horrornews.net/15325/list-top-10-performances-from-a-child-star-in-horror/ (Daeg is #8)

As for no evidence of release, good luck. It was supposed to be released April 22, 2010, and now who knows when of even if it will be released. It wasn't "too soon" back when the article was first written. Also, there is very little evidence that any Gruntworks films have been released, except Raven is on Netflix, and another film allegedly got a theatrical release from Universal Pictures, according to Gregori J. Martin's MySpace. I say there's enough to keep the article.PF4Eva (talk) 21:17, 7 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

These "secondary coverage" articles have merely trivial mentions on the film. Is there any coverage of the actual film as the primary content? I haven't found anything. It might be worth merging to another article, perhaps the director or one of the actors, but I don't it has notability for a stand-alone article. BOVINEBOY2008 18:53, 7 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 01:54, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Incubate for a short time. The article depends heavily on the producer's own twitter page. We have a completed film that has some smattering of coverage, but not enough persistant or in-depth coverage to merit being an exception to WP:NFF as an unreleased film, specially as its release date continues to be postponed. Incubation should be fine. However, per WP:FUTURE and WP:NFF I would also be okay with it being redirected to director Gregori J. Martin, and we can revert the redirect when the thing is actually released. ANd to User:PF4Eva: Your work is not unappreciated. I would ask that you read WP:SIGCOV, WP:RS, and WP:TOOSOON. And I do expect that upon release of far more coverage, the article will be welcomed back quite gladly. And having myself worked with Daeg Faerch in a film, and being aware of his abilities, I anticipate we will have that greater and more in-depth coverage. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 08:09, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• I was thinking it could be redirected to Daeg Faerch, because more people have heard of Daeg than Gregori J. Martin, and more people will recognize it as a Daeg movie. Let's say a film is drected by Joe Jones, but stars Tom Hanks. Nobody knows who Joe Jones is, so you would redirect to Tom Hanks, because everybody knows him. You just never know if an indie is gonna meet its deadline or not. PF4Eva (talk) 17:10, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• That would work as well. Perhaps as author, you might consider sourcing something about the film in both those articles? I would gladly support a redirect to either, and a revertion of the redirect when the film is released. (In an aside: as an actor I had heard of Gregori J. Martin long before I worked with Daeg Faerch, but that's only me saying so.) Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 01:50, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Userfy to sandbox space of User:PF4Eva or incubate as suggested by User:MichaelQSchmidt. Right now the page has exactly one independent source, and that's an interview of one actor in the film. Until film's release, this is all just WP:CRYSTAL and WP:OR (since nobody's seen the film). I have no problem with the page moving to user space or article incubator so that it might be improved when the media has a chance to review and discuss. BusterD (talk) 23:27, 14 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Cerejota (talk) 00:28, 15 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BusterD (talk) 08:08, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Userfy for now. Seems to be gaining steam. Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:33, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.