Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Samer al-Masry

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Article has been cleaned up. Contains 8 External Links and 4 references. This discredits WP:N (non-admin closure) Superflewis (talk) 14:32, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Samer al-Masry

Contributing editor unilaterally removed speedy delete tag. Subject fails notability standards. DRosenbach ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 07:41, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep- Well, there is this article: [1] and this one here [2] that show some individual notability. Incidentally, his name can also be spelled Samer al-Masri, which brings up a whole boatload of ghits. Page needs a massive amount of work, but it does seem he's notable. Umbralcorax (talk) 07:51, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Trying both his name as written by the article and the version suggested by the above user in Googe news turn up 1 relevant result. I would not consider the two sources provided above as reliable sources. Because of this I think the actor fails human notability guidelines. — ^.^ ^{[citation needed]} 09:55, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Googling "Samer al Masri" turns up plenty of quality hits. Also, WP:RS is not restricted to the Western press. Al Arabyia is a reputable news agency and I don't see the problem with Radio Sawt Beirut. He has extensive coverage by Al Babawa and even a passing notice by the AP [3]. • Gene93k (talk) 12:49, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. The reason you only get one Google News hit is because you only did the default search for articles in the last month. To get useful results you need to click on "all dates" on the left. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:18, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Syria-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 12:19, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and actresses-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 12:19, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 12:21, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Don't see why Umbralcorax's sources are not reliable, and sufficient. I get 11 gnews hits.[4] and one passing reference gbook hit [5] saying he co-founded a theater in Damascus, and of course there's a lot on google.John Z (talk) 20:58, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The sources shown above show clear notability. I also note that this article was tagged for WP:CSD#A7 speedy deletion within 3 minutes of its creation despite saying that the subject had played important roles in theatre, cinema and TV. Is this the way we should be greeting new editors? Phil Bridger (talk) 20:18, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The formatting in the article was so poor (and still is) that notability claims seemed to be unfounded. In fact, they are still unfounded. While sourcing may be available, the point is that it is unavailable in the article. What do you suggest, placing a citation needed tag to every line? Every word? Every assertion? This is such a mess, and quite frankly, it is ridiculous that it's going to pass. What is even meant by this so-called list of names following the media listings -- are these the characters he played? Why aren't they listed within the context of a show or a play? If a subjects notability can be established and isn't and the article looks like a hoax or the product of a 5th grade reading level, why is it surprising that it was nominated for deletion? That's why it was put up for speedy deletion. If we have to Google for sources, let's Google for information as well. DRosenbach ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 02:11, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. —Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 02:16, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as notability has been shown. Article needs expansion and sources... which is not a reason to delete. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 02:18, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The Nom is quite correct, as the article is attrocious. I have found the notability and the sources, so in about 12 hours I will be able to spend some quality time making it presentable. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 06:30, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Have begun cleanup per mos. Expansion and sourcing begins next. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 23:43, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In just a couple hours, this will be a pleasent enough article. Thanks for the patience. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 05:24, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Didn't expand as I do not read Syrian. However, I have cleaned up, sourced, and added external links showing an interest in this actor over several years. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 07:33, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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