Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Salman Mohammad Abdullah (3rd nomination)

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The result was delete. MBisanz ^talk 01:38, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Most of the references are not reliable. Most of them are WP:INTERVIEW. No significant work whatsoever. The reference of Ourtimebd does not contain anything about him. CNN ref is not verified by CNN, its an assignment work. Highly promotional article. No reason to keep this article on Wikipedia. Mar11 (talk) 09:23, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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• Strong Keep – Notability established by the 24 References and Notes cited in the article. Most of the reference collected by the Bangladeshi Newspaper and some international newspaper. He has already won an important Bangladeshi award 3rd time in a row for his outstanding contribution in the arena of radio. He is also writer, Actor and News Anchor with the Notability work. — Masum Ibn Musa  ^Conversation 11:36, 9 May 2016 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Masum Ibn Musa (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD. [reply]

Comment - The article contains 24 references indeed. But almost none of them are reliable. Most of them are regional news. Some are interviews, the ireport article is not international CNN news report, it's written by student of journalism as a practice assignment. References would not pass him WP:N. The article also contained commercial link of Rokomari, some of them were covered with false title. - Mar11 (talk) 17:10, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

sorry Mar11, but could you please clarify the above statement "Most of them are regional news."? WP:N, WP:GNG does not specify that regional news articles cannot be used for notability, indeed some editors have argued for the retention of articles based on sources from local/town and university/college papers, (consensus does, however, appear to point towards more references in these situations). Coolabahapple (talk) 08:18, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There was 1 or 2 regional news which have been removed along with the awards list. Coolabahapple If you can read Bengali, you will understand how lame and unreliable the websites (bijoybarta24,sangbadkonika,prothombarta,banglasongbad24,unitednews24,takkizbd,b24news) included in the article are!! Any Bengali reader will agree with me.

[1] 404

[2] Primary source, he works at Radio Today

[3] No news about him

[4] passing mention

[5] and [6] Mirror of each other. Probably press release. Highly promotional article. It says he has published a new book which will be available at Ekushay Book fair stall -169.

[7] promo article. advertisement of his book. Says the book will be available at stall 266 of Ekushay book fair.

[8] Interview

[9] 404

[10] No news about him

[11] No news about him

[12] passing mention. His name on the list of actors worked in this drama.

Only this two two sources [13] and [14] are from mainstream news sites (Jugantor and Ittefaq). But these are also written like advertisement piece, The authors just praising him in these articles; - Mar11 (talk) 09:29, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - This is so funny that Mr. Mar11 you could not found any reliable news about him and you have deleted some important point just like award or another part of the article. You should learn more and more about wikipedia rules. This is not good signed as a Wikipedian. No doubt about here in this article is more reliable with his notable work. What is the meaning No significant work whatsoever and Highly promotional article? — Masum Ibn Musa  ^Conversation 13:16, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Masum Ibn Musa has clearly put considerable effort into the article, and has a long track record of valuable contributions, so it pains me to disagree, but I'm not seeing convincing evidence of notability. I give the Ittefaq article more weight than the nom does, but the other pieces from independent, reliable media are very brief ([15], [16], [17], [18]) or primary source intereviews (NTV).

There are many references to the book releases, but they are mere publicity announcements, not even capsule reviews, let alone the in-depth reviews by professional book critics that in my experience are necessary to pass WP:AUTHOR. The awards are not notable ones. The first is mentioned in the Ittefaq article, but otherwise they are unreported by serious news organizations.

Direct searches of a dozen mainstream Bangladeshi news sources (both English and Bangla) found nothing more. WP:BASIC is not met. --Worldbruce (talk) 18:16, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as nothing of this is still any better convincing of solid independent notability. SwisterTwister talk 05:57, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Here is a source I believe there are many Hindi sources which cover this person @Masum Ibn Musa: if you could give some sources in Hindi it would help. Valoem ^{talk contrib} 23:14, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• It's more likely that sources could be found in Bengali. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 16:13, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This source says that it is not a verified news of CNN. Its like a blog or something like that. - 42.0.7.63 (talk) 14:43, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong Keep At least one reliable source is better to established article. So this article is better just like the rules. Plz see the article first then comments. Thanks all. ---- David Benzam^Contact 03:35, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

— Note: An editor has expressed a concern that David Benzam (talk • contribs) has been canvassed to this discussion.

@David Benzam: Would you clarify what you mean by, "At least one reliable source is better to established article"? If there is a source that you feel is in-depth, independent, reliable, and secondary, what source is it? If one such source exists, how does that square with the WP:GNG or WP:BASIC notability guidelines, which call for multiple sources? --Worldbruce (talk) 04:28, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Notified, as concerned editors, all who have participated in previous deletion discussions on the same topic. --Worldbruce (talk) 03:40, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• delete, not notable person. --Kayser Ahmad (talk) 04:41, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• I stand by my previous view, Strong Delete, as He is only a RJ who wrote 1 or 2 books about FM radio. Most of the references seems to be self promoted interviews. Does not pass WP:ENT. Ibrahim Husain Meraj (talk) 11:33, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Delete Per nomination and others. ~ Moheen ^(talk) 14:15, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. This article is nominated for 3rd time in fifteen months. That either means someone badly wants this article. At a first glimpse the article looks like a potentially good one. But with a closer look, it is single editor contributed poorly written Bio. He still doesn't meet WP:ENT, so my original opinion stands. Delete, but don't salt. --nafSadh did say 15:51, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per all that has been said, including failure of WP:GNG, WP:RS, and WP:NPEOPLE, which reads as follows (boldface is my doing):

People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.

As Mar11 pointed out neatly above, what appears to be significant coverage (24 references) in reality isn't; we have some promotions, some first-party work, some passing mentions, and only two acceptable third-party sources, which isn't "significant".

If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources may not be sufficient to establish notability.

Now, if we were to combine multiple, independent sources, that would be fine, and notability would be proven; however, there doesn't appear to be multiple, independent, third-party sources. All we have are sources that fail WP:RS.

Primary sources may be used to support content in an article, but they do not contribute toward proving the notability of a subject.

...which, ultimately, leaves this article unsourced.

In conclusion, all of the evidence presented points towards failure of the general notability guideline; unless numerous third-party sources are presented to show otherwise (something which hasn't been done yet), deletion seems most appropriate. Colonel Wilhelm Klink (^Complaints|_Mistakes) 18:14, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong Keep Salman is a high profile Radio jocky, actor, writer and also news anchor. Bangladesh Cultural Reports Association (BCRA) Honors Awards for his outstanding contribution in the arena of radio (3 award career).1, 2. He has been working as a radio jocky since 2010 (7 years career).3, 4, 5. He has appeared on multiple notable hit television drama (6 drama since 2010),6, 7 as well as writer he wrote 3 books in 3 years.8, 9 He is a well-known figure in Bangladshi media and should therefore not be removed from Wikipedia. Though comprehensive comments here in delete but wikipedia rules does not support vote, should be logic here. David Benzam^Contact 09:08, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@David Benzam: You can't !vote more than once. --nafSadh did say 05:08, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - as I wrote in the first AFD, at AfD we tend to delete articles about DJs. This person in particular seems to be run of the mill. My opinion has not been changed; in fact, the discussion above about the minimal coverage and lack of reliable sources merely convinces me that my initial assessment was correct. Bearian (talk) 13:03, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Per nominator's comment. - Variation 25.2 (talk) 03:21, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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