Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saddle Butte (Wyoming)

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The result was delete without prejudice to recreation of an expanded, sourced article. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 07:21, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Saddle Butte (Wyoming)

Bumping from speedy, as it's not a candidate. I thought it was a bit of vandalism (heh heh, Saddle Butt), but then found that there's a road called Saddle Butte in Jackson, Wyoming. So I'm not sure that the actual Saddle Butte is a real thing, or, even if it were, it was really appropriate. So here we are. badlydrawnjeff talk 17:22, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, this does qualify as a speedy..."Very short articles providing little or no context"...so not sure why this is here. As I stated when I tagged it for speedy...no such place exists. Find it and we can keep it...[1]....otherwise, delete it.--MONGO 17:30, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The context is clear - short articles don't qualify for it. It says what it is, where it is, and gives a directive. It being true, or not being true, isn't relevant, it's why I bumped it here. --badlydrawnjeff talk 18:27, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - "Little or nor context"...obviously. A one sentence "article"...certainly applies and definitely does here.--MONGO 18:45, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No relevance to anything. ever. Mystache 17:39, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Searching for "Saddle Butte" excluding Wikipedia [2] reveals many references to a neighbourhood in Jackson, including photos of what appears to be a significant hill with a flat top (by the way, that's what a butte is). Wikipedia precedent is that significant geographical features are notable, and to me this thing looks significant. As for the "heh heh" factor - "Saddle Butte" is unbelievably tame compared to the names of some geographic features in the western US[3]. "Saddle Butte" in fact appears to be a common name for a butte with a somewhat caved-in top. --Charlene 19:12, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm totally moving to Whorehouse Meadow. And thanks, at least we know it's not a fake. --badlydrawnjeff talk 19:19, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So, this is an article about a subdivision? Then that needs to be explicitly stated in the article. The actual butte may be a local naming convention that doesn't appear on any maps, but even so, unless we can clearly show that it is a real butte, I don't think a subdivision or the road into one is notable. Maybe the lodge is notable, but not sure if it is...still would need a renaming under Saddle Butte Lodge.--MONGO 19:36, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

We could rename it East Gros Ventre Butte as that is a pretty big "hill" nw of Jackson and highway 89 parallels it on the east side...that is apparently where saddle butte drive is. according to this link...as seen here in topo--MONGO 19:43, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per MONGO, this appears to be an alternate local name (any butte with a dip in it could be called Saddle Butte) for what is nominally East Gros Ventre Butte, per the USGS. There are a few names associated with it like the Saddle Butte Lodge, a mobile home park, and a new development Saddle Butte Heights but it isn't the formal name, for whatever reason. --Dhartung | Talk 22:41, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a schematic map that shows Saddle Butte in context (as I noted above, the USGS name of the entire feature is East Gros Ventre Butte, including the saddle). --Dhartung | Talk 22:43, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I originally called this into question on the talk page. Its clear that Saddle Butte was a name fabricated by some real estate agent, but even East Gros Ventre Butte doesn't meet any sort of notability. Its doubtful this will ever expand beyond a stub except as a link to non-notable real-estate subdivisions. Its just another hill in a valley noted for them. - CosmicPenguin (Talk) 00:04, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Wyoming-related deletions. -- CosmicPenguin (Talk) 00:06, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename, merge and redirect into Jackson, Wyoming until we have enough to have a stand-alone article on East Gros Ventre Butte. FCYTravis 00:55, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep it's enough of a neighborhood to count, especially with an USCGS name.DGG 05:01, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The point is, the USGS doesn't have a Saddle Butte anywhere near Jackson Wyoming...there isn't even a place in the entire state named that officially. I belong to the WikiProject Wyoming and trust me, if it was a real place or had any notability, I would expand this myself.--MONGO 05:04, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, no content to speak of, and as per CosmicPenguin. Stifle (talk) 21:26, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, unsourced substub. No prejudice against a proper article. —Cryptic 18:16, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.