Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sachiko Tsuruta
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. (non-admin closure) WJ94 (talk) 11:14, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
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There simply isn't enough third-party evidence that Sachiko Tsuruta satisfies Wikipedia’s notability criteria. Everything here is based around winning the Marcel Grossmann Prize. I doubt that this is enough. Even the list of publications is unspectacular. BoyTheKingCanDance (talk) 10:51, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
- Keep I would argue to keep this article as the subject does pass WP:NACADEMIC. She has been awarded the Marcel Grossmann Prize, a prestigious international award for her scientific achievement. Additionally, WP:BIO has stated that many "academics are notably influential in the world of ideas without their biographies being the subject of secondary sources." That being said, this article definitely needs work and more sources. Some sources I found in my search were: 1 2 3 4 5. There are others out there, these are just to name a few. --RealPharmer3 (talk) 12:35, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, to be true, the article needs work. I based it on translating the de.wikipedia entry for Tsuruta, where apparently standards for "notability" are not so strict. She did fundamental research in the study of neutron stars and pulsars in the 1960s which is noteworthy. -- SelfCorrection (talk) 14:40, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
- Keep I would argue to keep this article as the subject does pass WP:NACADEMIC. She has been awarded the Marcel Grossmann Prize, a prestigious international award for her scientific achievement. Additionally, WP:BIO has stated that many "academics are notably influential in the world of ideas without their biographies being the subject of secondary sources." That being said, this article definitely needs work and more sources. Some sources I found in my search were: 1 2 3 4 5. There are others out there, these are just to name a few. --RealPharmer3 (talk) 12:35, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academics and educators and Women. Shellwood (talk) 13:16, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
- Keep; a very prestigious award. It's also necessary to look at an academic's career in the context of their own time, not the present moment; her publication list is good for the times through which she worked. Her link to the neutron star makes her a very impressive figure. Elemimele (talk) 17:28, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Science and Japan. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 18:21, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. Won a notable award (see WP:ANYBIO) after discovering a notable thing (the star type). Therefore, in my opinion, clearly a notable person and this article clearly improves the encyclopaedia. CT55555(talk) 19:08, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. Faulty nomination doesn't even consider the correct notability criterion, WP:PROF. With seven triple-digit citation counts and others close to that, I think she passes WP:PROF#C1, and the award makes a strong case for #C2. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:09, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - Meets our notability criteria for WP:ANYBIO per the notable award and WP:PROF per citation count for her research, (and she sounds like an awesome woman in a field that mostly consists of men). This is an important contribution to the encyclopedia. Netherzone (talk) 20:57, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. Clear pass of WP:Prof#C1. This nomination seems to typify a prejudice in Wikipedia against women scientists exemplified in the Donna Strickland scandal. Xxanthippe (talk) 00:05, 26 January 2023 (UTC).
- Actually, Xxanthippe, you should assume good faith. I have worked hard in my editing throughout a decade to ensure that women scientists are treated fairly. This page is in a much stronger state than it was when I nominated it. BoyTheKingCanDance (talk) 02:12, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
- Deletion nomination should be done on the basis of the subject's notability, established by analysis as defined here WP:BEFORE, not on the state of the article. CT55555(talk) 04:46, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
- That goes without saying. But how does one know? I did google her. One makes a recommendation in good faith and trusts the expertise and judgment of other editors. BoyTheKingCanDance (talk) 04:55, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
- One could try learning what the correct notability criterion is before making a deletion nomination that doesn't even address that criterion. I would think that rather less than a decade would be needed to learn such distinctions. —David Eppstein (talk) 05:27, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
- Well, that's a personal attack. BoyTheKingCanDance (talk) 05:36, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
- @BoyTheKingCanDance: It is nonsense to claim that a justified question of WP:Competence is a personal attack. You might like to withdraw this misguided nomination before further time of editors is wasted. Xxanthippe (talk) 05:59, 26 January 2023 (UTC).
- Well, that's a personal attack. BoyTheKingCanDance (talk) 05:36, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
- One could try learning what the correct notability criterion is before making a deletion nomination that doesn't even address that criterion. I would think that rather less than a decade would be needed to learn such distinctions. —David Eppstein (talk) 05:27, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
- That goes without saying. But how does one know? I did google her. One makes a recommendation in good faith and trusts the expertise and judgment of other editors. BoyTheKingCanDance (talk) 04:55, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
- Deletion nomination should be done on the basis of the subject's notability, established by analysis as defined here WP:BEFORE, not on the state of the article. CT55555(talk) 04:46, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
- Actually, Xxanthippe, you should assume good faith. I have worked hard in my editing throughout a decade to ensure that women scientists are treated fairly. This page is in a much stronger state than it was when I nominated it. BoyTheKingCanDance (talk) 02:12, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
- I don't see how that is remotely true. The nom just didn't know about NPROF and so correctly assessed that the subject did not meet traditional GNG criteria, as would be the case for most academics, male or female. And the "Donna Strickland scandal" could just as easily have been named after Hiroshi Amano or Takaaki Kajita or Konstantin Novoselov or George Smith or John C. Mather or John L. Hall or Theodor Hansch or any of the other scientists who didn't have WP articles before they won a Nobel. The problem is entirely in editors' understanding of NPROF and the fact that there are probably hundreds of thousands of scholars who meet NPROF so our coverage is understandably incomplete. Baselessly accusing people of sexism is needlessly inflammatory and counterproductive. JoelleJay (talk) 21:11, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
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