Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ronnie Letham

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The result was no consensus. (Non-administrator closure) NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:14, 16 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ronnie Letham

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Created by a verified sock noted for hoaxes, this might not be one, as there are two obituaries which appear to reliably verify his existence. I'm not sure that that rises, however, to notability, and is it completely insane that I'm starting to wonder about the obits? Perhaps. j⚛e decker ^talk 18:58, 20 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete per WP:CSD#G5 and WP:EVADE. The other editors of the article have not added substantial content.- MrX 19:15, 20 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- You appear to be correct. --j⚛e decker ^talk 19:31, 20 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- I also agree. Arfæst Ealdwrítere (talk) 23:31, 20 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I'm not too solid on this one to make a firm judgment at the moment, but his IMDb page shows that he has a decent filmography about him in terms of numbers. The most important role I'm seeing, however, is on the short-lived Atletico Partick. But he is a real guy with some real roles. öBrambleberry of RiverClan 19:17, 20 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I'm slightly more convinced by [1] that he exists than by IMDB, I've at least one memorable hoax unmasking where content had gotten introduced into IMDB. (That one was funnier.) In any case, yes, I think that an actor by that name exists. --j⚛e decker^talk 19:30, 20 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment - IMDB is not considered to be a reliable source as it comprises information which is user submitted. Arfæst Ealdwrítere (talk) 23:34, 20 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    - Comment: Precisely: WP:RS/IMDB. --j⚛e decker ^talk 06:18, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Scotland-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:46, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:46, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This isn't a hoax per this, this and this. I'm not going to add the refs until the block/evade issue is resolved but I don't think that it qualifies under G5 as the page was created on March 7 while AFAICT the block occurred later. Philg88 ^♦talk 06:14, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I'm not sure I agree as a matter of textual interpretation, G5 refers to blocked users, not blocked accounts, and many of this user's socks, which have been confirmed by CU, have been indef blocked for 3+ years. However, there may be a precedent on this point that I am unaware of. --j⚛e decker^talk 06:20, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment' I have temporarily pulled the G5 tag while we turn to notability, etc. I do agree that some of the material is true, as I've stated above, IMDB didn't convince me, but I doubt the Mirror report is fabricated. --j⚛e decker^talk 06:27, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    - Comment Good call. I'm not sure how the sock issue will turn out but I'm going to collect some more references if I can find them and see whether notability can be established. Philg88 ^♦talk 08:13, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep ~~Comment~~ without prejudice to the block/sock issue I believe Letham ~~probably~~ passes individual/actor notability based on the existing article reference to The Scotsman and the following:
"Obituary: Ronnie Letham". Herald Scotland. 9 May 2008. Retrieved 21 June 2014.

Reliable source, 330 word obituary.

"Letham, Ronnie, 1949-2008, actor and student at Jordanhill College of Education, Glasgow". University of Strathclyde Archives. Retrieved 21 June 2014.

Reliable source, 81 word vignette.

"Theatre: A hotel from Hell: Richard Loup-Nolan on new productions in Glasgow and Edinburgh". The Independent. 18 May 1994. Retrieved 21 June 2014.

Reliable source, passing mention in theatre review.

There are also multiple mentions of him in a Google Book search as a cast member, while News has seven mentions.

In summary, three strong references and, per actor notability guideline, confirmation of significant roles in multiple notable television shows and stage performances. Philg88 ^♦talk 08:52, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:06, 29 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, czar ♔ 14:35, 8 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Just about meets WP:GNG: there's the articles in the Scotsman and Herald plus other shorter mentions. Google Books throws up several sources in snippet view, including a Spectator review of a play he directed, Joyce McMillan's book about the Traverse Theatre, and several other critical notices. --Colapeninsula (talk) 15:01, 10 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.