Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Robinson Lifestyle Center

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The result was no consensus. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 06:37, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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No evidence of any notability. Not even sure what it represents, but it appears to be a marketing concept within a large development company. The two sources are dead-links and searches reveals several actual shopping malls, some of which have their own Wikipedia pages, but nothing relating to the "concept". This may be just a marketing concept with no real existence. Fails WP:GNG  Velella  ^{Velella Talk}   08:55, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Shopping malls-related deletion discussions.  Velella  ^{Velella Talk}   08:55, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Thailand-related deletion discussions.  Velella  ^{Velella Talk}   08:55, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Recent news from March 2020 [1] reported that the 24th location of such mall was soon to be opened, proving that the concept exists. There was high profile shooting incident happened at one of the establishment [2] The news just mentioned it as "Robinson shopping mall" --Lerdsuwa (talk) 11:30, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: Apologies to Velella for not responding earlier on my talk page, but I still don't quite follow your understanding of the subject. You mentioned that "searches suggest that this is just a marketing concept under which the malls are aggregated, but which has no physical existence in the real world," but then also recognise that there are "several actual shopping malls" but dismiss them as "nothing relating to the 'concept'". Why are you seeing them as separate, unrelated things? The subject is the brand of shopping malls, based on a certain marketing concept as mentioned in the article. Perhaps the previous wording in the article wasn't clear; I've tried rewriting it a bit. Is this better? --Paul_012 (talk) 16:22, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps I was less than clear. This seems to be an organization (Company ?) which builds shopping malls. Many of these shopping malls are notable and have Wikipedia article, but the company building them, if that is what this is, does not appear to have any notability. No reliable and independent sources discuss it that I could find. This isn't unusual. There are many big corporations that maintain a very low profile public face, being happy to be known by the things they build or produce. For Wikipedia, this means that the overarching company may not be notable, even though its malls are. notability is not inherited . Regards  Velella  ^{Velella Talk}   16:47, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The company, Robinson Co., Ltd., does not just build malls, but also runs and operates them. This article is about the branded chain of malls, not the company, which already has coverage under the article for its other brand, Robinson Department Store. It's not low-profile either. Both the company and the brand have lots of exposure in the business news pages.[3][4][5][6][7][8] I can see a case for merging the coverage under a single article, but that can be discussed on the talk page, and I don't quite see how the subject can be seen as failing to meet the GNG. --Paul_012 (talk) 21:21, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment All of those appear to be about Robinson Department Store - although one does talk about Robinson Lifestyle Center, but which I still believe is a marketing concept - i.e just another sort of department store as per one of the refs which quotes "270 million baht was spent on Robinson Lifestyle's makeover in Trang". If followed to its logical conclusion per this we ought to have articles for all of Robinson's different type of shops. None of the refs defines what they consider a "Lifestyle" centre to be - perhaps a downmarket (upmarket?) department store. A request once to an estate agent in New Zealand about what a "Lifestyle property" was produced the answer - "It isn't a property that you would want to live in in the winter" - is this what Lifestyle means here? - modern living ephemera for the moment only? Even so, it doesn't appear to be notable.  Velella  ^{Velella Talk}   16:26, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Robinson Department Store is department store. Robinson Lifestyle Center is shopping mall, i.e. Robinson Department Store plus many other shops. You can find lots of video clip such as this [9] in Youtube to see how it looks inside. --Lerdsuwa (talk) 16:50, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that clarification - is there a ref to support that ?  Velella  ^{Velella Talk}   16:56, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There are plenty of reference in business news such as [10] They are in Thai. --Lerdsuwa (talk) 17:11, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also, see the company's corporate description, quoted as follows.[11] --Paul_012 (talk) 21:55, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Robinson Public Company Limited and its subsidiaries operated the department store business under the brand “Robinson” and the shopping mall under the brand “Robinson Lifestyle” across the country. Currently, the Company has 50 stores, comprising of 12 stores in Bangkok Metropolitan Area and 38 stores in the upcountry. In addition, the Company also has 2 stores in Vietnam.

• Keep and optionally merge without prejudice, per my above comments. --Paul_012 (talk) 16:03, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: There seems to be some confusion on the nominator's part on what the article is really about. Lerdsuwa and Paul 012 have helped to provide both clarity and references. — Toughpigs (talk) 06:43, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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