Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Red Sector Incorporated

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. RFerreira (talk) 21:10, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Red Sector Incorporated

The creator is User:Redsectorincorporated. WP:COI? I don't see any notability. Raymie Humbert (TrackerTV) (receiver, archives) 03:37, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Update There is now a speedy tag on the article, per CSD A7. The article is less than an hour old and ready to get deleted. Raymie Humbert (TrackerTV) (receiver, archives) 03:43, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The speedy tag was later removed. Raymie Humbert (TrackerTV) (receiver, archives) 03:54, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This is probably one of the most famous warez groups of all time. Who cares who created the article, that's irrelevant. JBsupreme (talk) 03:45, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. spam per speedy.Becky Sayles (talk) 05:09, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete RSI may be well known in the cracker world but according to google and google news, no reliable sources have found the group good enough to write about them. They seem to fail organization notability guidelines. Atyndall93 | talk 06:03, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete. RSI is a famous cracking group and would be worthy of mention, so I was tempted to vote "keep but remove all trivia such as member lists and chronology", and then I read the article, and saw such a trim would leave only the first paragraph. JIP | Talk 06:24, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep - I'm an old Commodore Amiga demo coder myself, and Red Sector were about the most famous warez/demo group in all history in the late 1980s/early 1990s. If we wanted to reference something other than the Internet, it would be a simple matter to find evidence of notability. By the way, has the nominator noticed that the article Tristar and Red Sector Incorporated exists? This was a group that formed from the merger of Tristar and RSI. - Richard Cavell (talk) 06:35, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- This is a totally new article formed hours ago. I brought this to AfD without the knowledge that that article exists. Do keep in mind that the user probably did not know either. Raymie Humbert (TrackerTV) (receiver, archives) 19:07, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete; this barely if at all escapes speedy deletion (A7) and contains no assertions of notability or importance. It consists entirely of a list of people, subgroups, and BBSs, with a history/chronology of unremarkable facts. I have been unable to turn up any significant reliable sources that provide verifiability of even what little is in the article. --MCB (talk) 07:34, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The non-trivial coverage by Scenery Amiga and Defacto2 publications demonstrate more than sufficient notability. The 2,200 unique Google hits [1] are also an interested barometer given that this is an organization which existed during the pre-internet days. coccyx bloccyx_(toccyx) 15:46, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Update The username has been blocked by Tivedshambo because of its promotional nature, according to User talk:Redsectorincorporated. Also placed there was a speedy notification and a conflict of interest query, courtesy Becky Sayles. Raymie Humbert (TrackerTV) (receiver, archives) 19:12, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per assertion of notability.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 20:49, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 00:20, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Since RSI were openly involved in illegal behaviour, I have always wanted to question whether they were actually incorporated or whether it's just a kind of affectation added to their name. I doubt very much that RSI operated as a business, since they wouldn't have had a significant revenue stream. - Richard Cavell (talk) 09:54, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Computing-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 00:20, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per atyndall. You said it Dad (talk) 04:14, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.