Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rajeev Kumar Singh Lodhi
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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 15:53, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
Rajeev Kumar Singh Lodhi
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The second source says, he filed nomination papers for assembly election from Syana (Assembly constituency). No source for the claim that he is a minister in Akhilesh Yadav ministry. Can't find any source for being minister. There are other politicians in UP with similar name see Rajeev Kumar Singh, but those are not from Syana. Seems to be an hoax autobiography created by User:Drrajeevlodhi. Venkat TL (talk) 14:28, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
Update: He held an advisor to state government post, that had status of state minister.--Venkat TL (talk) 09:45, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Venkat TL (talk) 14:28, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Venkat TL (talk) 14:28, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete: Not a hoax, subject is real (and a journalist apparently); regardless fails WP:NPOL. Curbon7 (talk) 04:55, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
- Comment username of article creator is same as subject of article. Sources do not indicate that he's a journalist, rather a politician who has also been an academic. Searching in Hindi for राजीव लोधी (Rajeev/Rajiv Lodhi) I found this, which indicates his mother Hitesh Kumari was an MLA (yes, yes, notability not inherited) and that he was a minister of state in the government of Akhilesh Yadav. I'll continue with more searching. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 05:08, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
- Two more sources (in Hindi) indicating he was a Minister of State: सपा के सम्मान समारोह में हंगामा, उत्तर प्रदेश में सपा की सरकार बनना तय:राजपाल कश्यप. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 08:16, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
- @Goldsztajn Thanks for the links. I found Amar Ujala newspaper that clarifies the matter. It mentions that Lodhi wanted to contest in 2017 Uttar Pradesh Legislative Assembly election on Samajwadi party seat. But did not contest probably because Congress alliance partner had their candidate in that constituency. The results of 2017 elections does not mention him. Amar Ujala also mentions that he served on the post of "Pension Advisor" to State government, with the status of state minister. This is not the same as being cabinet minister, as one has to be a major leader AND need to win an election to become a cabinet minister. His post was an appointed one, and party leaders are generally added to such posts. So he has not won any elections so far and thus fails WP:NPOL. There are no source giving in-depth coverage. All sources found and presented so far are covering party events. So he fail WP:GNG too. Venkat TL (talk) 09:41, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
- Not having won an election does not disqualify from satisfying NPOL; there's nothing in NPOL which excludes appointed positions (eg all US Cabinet positions are appointed and all are inherently notable). What's confusing here is, as far as I understand, in order for one to be a state minister or a state minister (independent charge), one needs to be an MLA. I'm hesitating to !vote keep here because I would prefer to see something which convincingly demonstrates his appointment. The official report of the 2012 UP election results show no indication that he won a seat; the UP legislative assembly website gives no indication he was a member (searching 16th and 17th legislatures and bye elections). So either the claim that he was a state minister is incorrect (perhaps an embellishment left uncorrected), or he was appointed to the legislative assembly sometime between 2012 and 2017, but I can see no evidence for that. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 13:02, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
- @Goldsztajn to help clear your confusion, you are right that State minister need to win some kind of election. People cannot be appointed to the legislative assembly, they need to win the elections. Yet everyone wants to become a minister and the max number is capped by law. So some of the party loyalists who failed to win elections are appointed as advisors by the political executive and they are given such status, (consider it some kind of honorary title) the party loyalist gets some free perks as a result of this status. I can trust the reporting by Amar Ujala, and consequently I have struck my hoax speculation. It is clear that he has not won any election, and even though he might be a senior party man, he is not notable to the general public who defeated him. The post of advisor is not a major post either. In conclusion, I think he fails WP:NPOL criteria. Venkat TL (talk) 11:46, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
- Not having won an election does not disqualify from satisfying NPOL; there's nothing in NPOL which excludes appointed positions (eg all US Cabinet positions are appointed and all are inherently notable). What's confusing here is, as far as I understand, in order for one to be a state minister or a state minister (independent charge), one needs to be an MLA. I'm hesitating to !vote keep here because I would prefer to see something which convincingly demonstrates his appointment. The official report of the 2012 UP election results show no indication that he won a seat; the UP legislative assembly website gives no indication he was a member (searching 16th and 17th legislatures and bye elections). So either the claim that he was a state minister is incorrect (perhaps an embellishment left uncorrected), or he was appointed to the legislative assembly sometime between 2012 and 2017, but I can see no evidence for that. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 13:02, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
- @Goldsztajn Thanks for the links. I found Amar Ujala newspaper that clarifies the matter. It mentions that Lodhi wanted to contest in 2017 Uttar Pradesh Legislative Assembly election on Samajwadi party seat. But did not contest probably because Congress alliance partner had their candidate in that constituency. The results of 2017 elections does not mention him. Amar Ujala also mentions that he served on the post of "Pension Advisor" to State government, with the status of state minister. This is not the same as being cabinet minister, as one has to be a major leader AND need to win an election to become a cabinet minister. His post was an appointed one, and party leaders are generally added to such posts. So he has not won any elections so far and thus fails WP:NPOL. There are no source giving in-depth coverage. All sources found and presented so far are covering party events. So he fail WP:GNG too. Venkat TL (talk) 09:41, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
- Two more sources (in Hindi) indicating he was a Minister of State: सपा के सम्मान समारोह में हंगामा, उत्तर प्रदेश में सपा की सरकार बनना तय:राजपाल कश्यप. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 08:16, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete WP:NPOL grants notability if the person has assumed an office - which is not the case here. Hence, applicable guidelines would be WP:GNG and WP:BASIC which are also not met. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 21:05, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
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