Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/RDS (group of companies)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. While there are elements that are frequently found in notable companies - such as the number of employees - there is a consensus that the sourcing found to date does not satisfy WP:NCORP and so this company is not notable. Barkeep49 (talk) 18:28, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:CORPDEPTH and WP:ORGIND. Civil engineering company. Generic. scope_creep^Talk 00:38, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 00:41, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ukraine-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 00:41, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Engineering-related deletion discussions. Enterprisey (talk!) 03:21, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - the biggest road construction company in Ukraine, which is basic for the road industry. It works since 2005, so no sign of "startup" period. Ukrainian sources are more than good and meet WP:CORPDEPTH. However, they are not in English :( That is the problem with Ukraine-related topics on wikipedia. BTW, I've corrected some minor mistakes. It looks more neat now --Mulage9 (talk) 13:34, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I figured a UPE or a SPA would turn up, The fact it is biggest doesn't mean the article doesn't have satisfy policy. I'm sure the company will survive quite well without a Wikipedia article. I will go through the references and show why they are terrible and don't meet WP:NCORP. scope_creep^Talk

Excuse me, but how is the discussion whether the company will survive or not without a page connected to the AfD process? --Mulage9 (talk) 12:06, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep the page should be rewritten and expanded with important details. It will also be good to shorten some non-important paragraphs. I will try to handle it this week. To be fair, the company barely meets WP:ORG, but it has good chances to survive community check. --Synhuliak (talk) 18:56, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above account is WP:SPA who has made few edit to Wikipedia. scope_creep^Talk 19:58, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Lets have a look at the refs.

• [1] RDS co-owner Yuriy Shumakher: We are carrying out rebranding to expand presence in Ukraine and enter European market Exclusive interview with Yuriy Shumakher. Its dependent coverage. Fails WP:SIRS.
• [2] The Ukrainian company RDS has won a tender for the construction of the Kropyvnytsky - Kryvyi Rih - Zaporozhye highway Routine announcement. standard notices, brief announcements, and routine coverage, such as Fails WP:CORPDEPTH.
• [3] RDS Group to repair, build roads in Kherson region Routine announcement. Its press-release.
• [4] Ukrainian group of companies RDS bought an asphalt concrete plant and invested in a production base Not independent. Fails WP:CORPDEPTH as routine announcement.

* [5] n full swing of the government's big construction program, the RDS road construction group is proposing to hire 850 workers, 70% more than planned. The company is building roads in eight regions. RDS co-owner Yuri Shumakher says: “The construction industry is not in quarantine! And we want to provide jobs to those who need it the most. This is passing mention.

All the rest of the references are similar. They either fails , WP:CORPDEPTH, or WP:ORGIND. They are slightly better than average startup, but the mostly fail WP:SIRS as routine announcements or press-releases. scope_creep^Talk 21:04, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. I think this article deserves more improvement than deletion. The article is about a forming enterprise, a company that is one of the leaders in its niche in a country where infrastructure and road construction are consistently on the public agenda. Taking all of the above into account, I сonsider that the decision to delete the article is rather rash, it seems much more reasonable to be able to improve the article. First of all, rid the article of suspicious or dependent references because of what is possible to reduce the size of the article.--User:Миша историк^Talk 00:59, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I have reverted to to let a admin take a look at closing it. A non-admin closed without taking the whole Afd into consideration. It is a clear case of WP:BADNAC. scope_creep^Talk 14:49, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete based on current sourcing, which is largely trivial and not intellectually independent. The problem may just be that the article is bad, but unless my Google-fu is extraordinarily weak today, I don't see much potential for it to be significantly better. Guy (help! - typo?) 15:28, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak delete - Weak rather than full because the company says on its website it has 2,100 employees, but I can't source that or find much in terms of company profiles in the reference sections. If someone who can do a better Ukrainian WP:BEFORE can find at least one good in-depth profile in mainstream press, that might change my vote. Otherwise, this is a weak delete. FWIW - this industry must be different in the Ukraine than in the US, since I'm not aware of any large well-known road building and paving companies. In California, that role is managed by state agency Caltrans. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:35, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Timtempleton: here are two sources with kind of decent media coverage: [6], [7] --Mulage9 (talk) 13:22, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Although I'm happy to review my !vote is references turn up, for now, I am unable to locate any references that meet the criteria for establishing notability. Good analysis above is indicative of the type of references available, none meet WP:NCORP requirement, topic fails NCORP/GNG. HighKing⁺⁺ 18:02, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep, the article lacks at least one good media coverage or detailed press mention in English. The company is indeed big and possibly notable. I still can change my vote if the article is at least slightly backed with better sources. --Asketbouncer (talk) 11:27, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Asketbouncer: here are some new links that might change your vote: [8], [9] --Mulage9 (talk) 13:22, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Both are press-releases and not valid as sources. scope_creep^Talk 13:37, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

6 and 7 above are also press-releases from an agency that known a business announcement portal. It is not a reliable source. scope_creep^Talk 13:40, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Mulage9: thanks. I've looked and changed my mind to weak keep. The sources are not pre-releases, but a detailed mention of the leading Ukraine's news agency. It's more than reliable as all press-releases are visually marked on Interfax site and are put into separate section. --Asketbouncer (talk) 14:30, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

They are press-releases. They are not independent. scope_creep^Talk 14:32, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Why would it say at the bottom: The ultimate beneficial owners of RDS Group are Ukrainian citizens Yuriy Shumakher and Yevhen Konovalov. in every one. Because there are press-releases and in the scheme of things, its a very low-quality source and you would only use it, if you had nothing else, hence the reason the originating editor points to it. It's a classic brand release marketing pattern. scope_creep^Talk 14:37, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And it states in the ledes: group's co-founder, Yuriy Shumakher, has told Interfax-Ukraine. scope_creep^Talk 14:39, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Scope creep: just updated the article a little bit and added an interview with CEO of Kyivshliakhbud (subsidiary company). --Mulage9 (talk) 12:55, 21 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.