Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/R. Bowles

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The result was speedy keep. Withdrawn by nominator. Other people have found additional sources that show the full names of these people and demonstrate that WP:SOLDIER is met. (non-admin closure) power~enwiki (π, ν) 19:26, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

R. Bowles

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Not a notable person. Article is sourced to an entry in a list of "Commanders-in-Chief in Bombay". Several similarly-sourced articles also nominated. power~enwiki (π, ν) 20:26, 16 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. ^{Babymissfortune} 05:50, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. ^{Babymissfortune} 05:50, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 13:47, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Per [1] seems these are all Major Generals and would be presumed notable per WP:SOLDIER. Heck - we probably might have wiki article on some of them. However if all we've got is a rolls entry without a first name - and we're unable to place to a first name....Icewhiz (talk) 14:00, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Further comment - these ranks seems to be Bombay Army, East India Company, "Bombay establishment" ranks - in parallel some of these seem to have also held a lower regular British army commission, though it seems most of them made a career of it in and around Bombay Presidency.Icewhiz (talk) 14:32, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Looking on Google I found that this man is Major General Robert Bowles. The only traces of him online are a routine death report that states he died in 1812 at age 68 At the time he was referred to as 'of the Bombay establishment', indicating that he did not advance higher. A short obituary is here. He was previously a Lieutenant Colonel of the 1st Battalion, European Regiment. Kges1901 (talk) 14:06, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Nothing is available online for Major General S. Wilson except for this brief report which states he returned to Europe after 46 years of service in India. Contemporary sources available online don't mention his full name.Kges1901 (talk) 14:11, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- He's Samuel Wilson - [2] [3]. Seems like he made a career in Bombay.Icewhiz (talk) 14:28, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

- Well done. I didn't account for abbreviations of Major general. Kges1901 (talk) 23:19, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Charles Boye overall has the most info on the internet. He rose to Lieutenant General before retiring, according to this contemporary list of all British Indian Army officers Boye served in the Maratha Wars, and is the only one of three to have combat service according to Google Books. Presumed notability would apply here, but Bowles and Wilson don't pass GNG based on these sources. However, I'm sure an editor more familiar with British military history than I am would be able to find better sources offline. Kges1901 (talk) 14:15, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
R. Jones is Sir Richard Jones - [4], ([5]). Was in command of Bombay army during Siege of Bharatpur (1805). Service record here - [6]- verified K.C.B - held a few other commands. Seems he made Lieutenant General [7][8] Icewhiz (talk) 14:44, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Major General Robert Bowles, in command at Malabar, then, commander of the Bombay Army. Certainly notable; article needs improvement.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:49, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all of them. Presumed notability from available sources and potential online sources given that this was a relatively major post. Of course, these articles will need to be expanded and moved to full names. Kges1901 (talk) 23:19, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all per Kges1901. Successive senior officers of a quasi-sovereign (EIC) force. Buckshot06 (talk) 03:32, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all. Strongly so for C. Boye and R. Jones both of which made Lieut. General, were involved in combat, and for which we have fair sourcing regarding the rest of their career, Jones was also made a K.C.B. The other two meet WP:SOLDIER (rank, as well as leading a semi-sovereign or protectorate's army, which was not insignificant size) and it seems there are quite a bit of period sourcing for the two of them, but more digging is required. We should however move all articles to their full names and improve content - which I intend to do.Icewhiz (talk) 11:35, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all. Clearly meet WP:SOLDIER. Need expansion and renaming, but not deletion. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:07, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep. Shortest stub I recall seeing, but should meet "soldier" requirement. Kierzek (talk) 14:53, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

We have a number of medieval bishops and princes regnant that are just as short.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:20, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep all. meet WP:SOLDIER.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:40, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.