Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Putu Ayu Saraswati

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Spartaz ^Humbug! 22:44, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Putu Ayu Saraswati

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local beauty pageant winner. Fails GNG MistyGraceWhite (talk) 14:49, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2020 April 24. —^{cyberbot I}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 15:14, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete a non-notable beauty queen.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:16, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Are you sure she is non-notable beauty queen"??? she is popular not only in Indonesia. You can check her page, all of the references from reliable sources (via RS) is not only using Bahasa Indonesia Article on websites but also an english article, french article and also some Indian website that posted about her. How come she is non-notable beauty queen like you said?? You're the one that don't want to check first before deleting the article pages. Plus Putu Ayu Saraswati has been reviewed already by User:Darwinek a long time ago, so many wikipedian has been contributing to give a hands for the page. I don't know why you guys dont want to check first instead of report and report deletion.I Nyoman Gede Anila (talk) 19:47, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

John Pack Lambert >>> For your information she is an Indonesian People's Consultative Assembly Ambassador.^[1][2] Which she is part of our Indonesian government parties beside of being a beauty queen. You should check first before commenting and propose deletion for her page.

• Comment article is heavy on non-reliable or covert advertising sites like globalbeauties.com, missitems.be, pageantcircle.com, pageantempire.com, and beautypageants.indiatimes.com (see Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 274 about covert advertising at the latter). I'm leaning towards delete. However as there may also be mainstream press establishing notability, would like to hear what others say – Indonesian language is not my forte. ☆ Bri (talk) 21:29, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Consideration changing on non-reliable sites Thanks Bri for the comment and assistance. I'm trying to do some translate title, while deleting and changing some non-reliable references with the new one based on Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 274 and trying to find some local sources from Indonesia's Newspaper and Indonesia's Magazine like Kompas, Jawa Pos and The Bali Times. Hope other editors could lend a hand to improve for better, too. But Thanks for the help. Appreciate it.I Nyoman Gede Anila (talk) 3:06, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

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Gunkarta please help to fix this — Preceding unsigned comment added by 36.74.92.171 (talk) 13:33, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete failed to meet notability guidelines. See WP:GNG--Richie Campbell (talk) 22:14, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep qualified to meet notability guidelines. She has won a major national beauty pageant (Puteri Indonesia), specifically Puteri Indonesia 2020. The Jawa Pos National Newspaper, Kompas Newspaper Article, Indonesian Times, Liputan 6 article, Insert live Infotainment, and many References has minimally adequate depth, and the minor coverage on other sources is cumulatively adequate. The article is well sourced and not promotional. I have not found anything on wikipedia policy on pageants. My opinion is that the winner of a national pageant officially recognized by the country who have been recognized in non trivial RS articles should be included. Putu Ayu Saraswati and Yuridia Durán are both national pageant winners and both of them gonna be competed on Miss International 2020 representing Indonesia and Mexico. I Nyoman Gede Anila (talk) 13:31, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@ User:I Nyoman Gede Anila One line mentions are not enough to pass GNG. Notability is not inherited. SIGCOV required in RS. MistyGraceWhite (talk) 10:54, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@ User:MistyGraceWhite SIGCOV in RS is already mentioned and included on References, so what else? Its weird to see Yuridia Durán article can passed from the deletion while this page cannot. It's very biased. Both of the article already has a SIGCOV on RS. To be honest Putu Ayu Saraswati also more recognized as a oublic figure than Yuridia Durán, all of the social media of Putu Ayu Saraswati is verified already just like her instagram, while Yuridia Durán is very lack of reliable sources than Putu Ayu Saraswati article. And what do u means by saying "ONE LINE MENTIONS"?? She is the main headline topic in every article I mentioned here, its just all her SIGCOV of her, nobody else mentioned in the article. You better check it out first>>>Kompas Newspaper Article, Indonesian Times, Liputan 6 article, Insert live Infotainment, and many ReferencesI Nyoman Gede Anila (talk) 14:22, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep qualified SIGCOV on RS she is being a member of ambassador for her country's national parliament of Indonesian People's Consultative Assembly Ambassador, indicates significance coverage (WP:SIGCOV); as sourced here Indonesia PCA Ambassador (1) , Indonesia PCA Ambassador (2), Indonesia PCA Ambassador (3), and many more you can search onlne by yourself.I Nyoman Gede Anila (talk) 14:42, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@User:I Nyoman Gede Anila only one vote per account is allowed. An ambassador for a country may be notable if mentioned in RS, but she is not a true ambassador. so not be confused by the word ambassador, it is just a trumped up title of no political bearing. she is not an elected member of the parliament, nor a true ambassador. MistyGraceWhite (talk) 16:43, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete absolutely no in-depth, persistent coverage in reliable sources. Fails our most basic BLP requirements at ANYBIO. And could the article's creator not keep voting keep? Or badgering everyone else, for that matter. ——Serial ^# 14:13, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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