Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pushpam Priya Choudhary (3rd nomination)

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The result was redirect to Plurals Party. Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 09:26, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pushpam Priya Choudhary

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Relisting per Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2022 May 23. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 06:23, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians and India. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 06:23, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• @Dakshinamurti: I highly suggest that you read WP:THREE before responding here. If you dump 20+ sources as you did at the DRV, nobody is going to take the time to review them. Just pick 3 of the most substantial sources and present them here. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 06:26, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  I am sorry about my earlier action of dumping references. I am new to this space, so I did not have much idea of guidelines. As per your suggestion based on Wikipedia:THREE, here I am presenting only three sources. Three newspaper sources, all of them are national and reputed newspapers - published and mostly popular in three different regions of India - The Times of India (North), Deccan Heard (West) and The Hindu (South). The news covered are from three different period when the popularity of Pushpam Priya Choudhary were constantly increasing through her political campaign (obviously there are hundreds other news pieces). First from March 2020 when she declared herself as the Chief Ministerial candidate in the Indian State of Bihar and thus got nationwide recognition; second from October 2020 when her party published the manifesto and distributed tickets among candidates which were discussed a lot about innovative approach and policy based campaign; and third is basically an interview from November 2020 published by the largest circulated newspaper of India. She is still considered among the 4-5 possible Chief Ministerial candidates in Bihar. As 2020 was the election year, it was obvious that the whole national media was interested in her campaign and her performance. Once the election was over, her ground activity is mostly covered by the regional and vernacular media. Still the leading publications like Times of India are asking for her opinion on relevant political issues and publishing it with a wide coverage. She is very much notable and it is impossible to discuss the hot debated politics of Bihar without mentioning her. Yes, people are divided over her style of politics and her political future, but no-one can ignore her.

  https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/plurals-pops-up-in-bihar/article31018474.ece

  https://www.deccanherald.com/election-2020/bihar-polls-pushpam-priya-choudhary-the-lse-graduate-who-is-eyeing-cms-chair-905255.html

  https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/patna/political-system-is-messy-in-bihar-im-going-to-stay-here/articleshow/78974227.cms Dakshinamurti (talk) 21:43, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  The Hindu and Deccan Herald are about the party, which obviously include info on who founded the party. I'd disregard The Times of India in political and biographical AfDs WP:TOI [1] — DaxServer (t · m · c) 19:30, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bihar-related deletion discussions. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:31, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Meta Comment/Delete per the prior two AfDs and no indication of sourcing with quality to indicate that she is notable. At best, redirect to the party. There is no consensus that Choudhary is independently notable, nor sourcing to think that consensus is incorrect, although I support this relist for a final consensus. Further, given what I know of participants in the AfDs/DRV, there's no biased motivation in participation. Star Mississippi 13:53, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  It is very difficult to accept your contention here that Choudhary is not independently notable. The notability of her party is in fact totally based on her popularity and notability. I request you to run a simple test here. Please search for Pushpam Priya Choudhary on Google or on any search engine and see which one is more dominant - Choudhary or Plurals. It is not at all possible to separate both. Even if you search for The Plurals Party, it will be impossible that her name does not dominate the space. I am not placing my contention on this test only. I am just giving an example. Her notability is independently established in India and particularly in her State where her politics is currently based. It is just that we are not able to prove to your satisfaction. But definitely will try to address your concern. Thanks. Dakshinamurti (talk) 21:50, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks @Dakshinamurti. I think the issue we're running into is they're intricately tied together in sourcing that is accessible. (Of course, English sourcing isn't required.) It's hard to discuss Choudhary without Plurals and vice versa. Maybe the article should be under her name and the party redirected? I h aven't dug too deeply into your search yet, but I will in the course of this discussion. Star Mississippi 23:55, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Thank you for taking a fresh look on this @Star Mississippi. Honestly I am not sure about redirection thing, but I do hope that this discussion will lead to a through examination and amicable solution. Dakshinamurti (talk) 17:37, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per Star Mississippi and possibly salt to avoid further disruptions. Even if this is redirected to the party, the redirect page should be fully protected from editing. ─ The Aafī on Mobile ^(talk) 11:40, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I closed this as "delete" but have been challenged, so I am relisting.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:21, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to Plurals Party. As Star Mississippi and others have said, there is no indication that the Choudhary is at all notable except for the formation of the Plurals Party in 2020, and the accompanying short-lived coverage generated by buying "a two-page advertisement in all the leading newspapers ahead of Bihar Assembly elections" and declaring herself as a (highly improbable) chief-minister candidate. Neither Chaudhary nor the party are of any electoral importance (so far) but have arguably generated enough publicity to pass WP:GNG. There is no sense, however, in trying to maintain two separate wikipedia articles of borderline notability and duplicative content, and the party article is a better one to retain since it can provide information about the party's performance in the 2020 elections, which is the sole basis for either's notability. Abecedare (talk) 23:01, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Overturn The arguments of @Abecedare are not based upon substantive facts. The so-called two page advertisement was just an announcement of political aspiration of Choudhary which got published in newspapers on 8th March 2020. But what about her campaign from March to November 2020 and thereafter? And notability should be based on political or electoral? Are we saying that 'electoral success' is the sole criteria for 'political success' and consequently 'electoral notability' should only be accepted as 'political notability'? Electoral is just a subset of political and there have been thousands of political leaders who were/are notable and who never got any electoral success. What about their notability? I am repeatedly asking this question that why and how press coverage can only be considered as the evidence of political notability (though she has enough press coverage too)? And press coverage in India which is placed at 150th position in Global Press Freedom index where print and electronic media are actually bought (not through advertisement as @Abecedare alleged, but through many hidden measures) by the ruling and oppositions parties? What is then left for new leaders and new parties who do not have that kind of money and muscle power in India and especially for a educated woman leader. India is known for its misogynist and sexist behaviour as far as women leaders are concerned. Even in this case, please look into the news article shared by @Abecedare, published in a reputed newspaper. It repeatedly mentions about the father and grandfather of Choudhary. Why? Did she contest on the ticket of his father's political party? Is there any evidence that his father has helped her or promoted her in forming her political party? Just because she is a woman, Indian journalists cannot resist their misogynistic assumption while writing about any woman leader. The argument of @Abecedare that "there is no indication that Choudhary is at all notable" while accepting the notability of her party is ridiculous and does not based on the ground situation. There was an uncontested wikipedia article about Choudhary and if someone has challenged her notability then the onus should be on him to prove that she is not notable. I have not seen any concrete evidence which could reflect that her party is more notable than her and she is "not at all notable". Dakshinamurti (talk) 17:06, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  This is WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS — DaxServer (t · m · c) 19:27, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to Plurals Party as said by Abecedare. All the sources that I find are talking the [new] political party. Of course, they all have her bio info like her parents, education; they all are about the party and not her. They could all be combined together to argue for notability, the coverage post the single event seem non-existent — DaxServer (t · m · c) 19:27, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Plurals Party per above.4meter4 (talk) 06:05, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Plurals Party, notability only in context of the party. Agree that redirect would need to be protected. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 06:18, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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