Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prospect Avenue (Brooklyn)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Barkeep49 (talk) 02:47, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Prospect Avenue (Brooklyn)

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No indication that this street is anymore notable than any other in Brooklyn. A few local newspaper articles do not establish notability. Rusf10 (talk) 15:27, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. Rusf10 (talk) 15:27, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. Rusf10 (talk) 15:27, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. This is an instance of WP:MILL; it is a relatively short street, extending from Ocean Parkway to Third Avenue, almost entirely within Windsor Terrace, Brooklyn. Numerous parallel streets are just as long, passing through the same topography and street grids, but this has an article due to its width and the fact that it's a named street rather than a numbered one. The only portion of this article that is notable is the history. That section can be incorporated into the Windsor Terrace article, which does talk about the street grid. I am not convinced that having subway stations or notable buildings itself makes the street notable, despite it having two stations (specifically not the Prospect Avenue station (IRT White Plains Road Line), which is another street altogether in the Bronx) and an NRHP-listed building. Lots of streets in NYC have their own subway stations and NRHP buildings on them, which does not make the street itself notable, but is just evidence that the three major subway companies in NYC had an intense competition. epicgenius (talk) 15:44, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, but make it better! Add pictures! Have more information! What's stopping you? JTZegers (talk) 18:35, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Does not meet notability standards for city streets, given the lack of focused citations that are beyond trivial coverage. SounderBruce 00:49, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. The sourcing shows that it exists, but there is no indication of notability. --Kinu ^t/_c 22:19, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - Major and important avenue in Brooklyn. The book The Brooklyn Theatre Index has an entire chapter dedicated to it.[1] Forgotten NY dedicates extensive coverage to it.[2] And the Long Island Herald has a piece about one if its famous residents and goes into detail of the history of the avenue.[3]. And if it's important enough to have two New York Subway stations, Prospect Avenue station (BMT Fourth Avenue Line) and Prospect Avenue station (IRT White Plains Road Line), then it's important enough for Wikipedia. Oakshade (talk) 01:34, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  Analyzing the sources, The Brooklyn Theatre Index appears to be just that, an index that provides listings of locations on Prospect Avenue (and many other streets, for that matter), and the existence of perhaps important venues along it does not confer notability to the thoroughfare itself. The Long Island Herald piece is primarily about Dr. Frederick Grubé, with only a few sentences about the street itself as a journalistic backdrop for the rest of the piece. I'm not certain about the Forgotten NY piece, but it just seems to be another directory of information about random sights and buildings along the street based on observations (and ostensibly to promote their tour business) without any mention as to why the street itself should be deemed notable other than the first part of the first sentence. --Kinu ^t/_c 07:43, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  Not that this matters, but this comment by Oakshade has a mistake (it does have 2 subway stations, just not the ones you cited). Prospect Avenue station (IRT White Plains Road Line) is in the Bronx. The other station on Prospect Avenue is Fort Hamilton Parkway station (IND Culver Line). epicgenius (talk) 19:20, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. There are two major subway stations at this major thoroughfare in Brooklyn. Many important institutions are on this street: the Grand Prospect Hall, P.S. 10, R.C. and Episcopal churches, restaurants, professional offices, retail stores, one of New York City's few charging stations for electric cars, etc. Bearian (talk) 21:23, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

But notability is WP:NOTINHERITED. The existence of a notable building on this street does not make the street itself notable.--Rusf10 (talk) 22:24, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Further, the existence of subway stations does not make a street notable. These can easily be construed to be located in Windsor Terrace rather than Prospect Avenue and it will still be just as valid of a claim. epicgenius (talk) 19:20, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete The claims of notability do not add up. Directory listings, a mention in coverage in the local paper about a person who lived on the street, and so on do not add up to notability. If you cannot name the allegedly notable church, I have doubts it is notable. The use of the laws of a state as a source is an example of using primary documents. The article is entirely sourced to a sub-city level paper and there are not sources presented above that represent broader coverage of this roadway.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:55, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge (relevant, non-repetitive material) to Windsor Terrace, Brooklyn.Djflem (talk) 19:38, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. How would it benefit any reader to lose this information, and how does it harm anyone to keep it? Merging and redirecting is second best, but not necessary. Station1 (talk) 21:43, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.