Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Places in West Virginia with names involving "Dale"

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The result was delete. postdlf (talk) 15:56, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Places in West Virginia with names involving "Dale" (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)

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Contested PROD. Reason was: "This is a random intersection, equivalent to People in Grimsby with blue eyes". It's amusing, informative, even interesting, but totally non notable. This is WP:TRIVIA and has a place in a miscellany, not an encyclopaedia." Fiddle Faddle 06:45, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - pure trivia for which original research is required to extract, also fails WP:LISTN. Ansh666 07:11, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, ListN says " Lists that fulfill recognized informational, navigation, or development purposes often are kept regardless of any demonstrated notability", and SIAs and Dabs (which are directly and indirectly, respectively, what are under discussion) are the soul of navigation.
As to applying OR, SIAs (like Dabs) always entail searches or (often sequential) link-following w/in WP, which saves that labor for (hopefully) multiple users and entails none of the pitfalls that are the reason OR is taboo.

• Delete - unless sources have covered the fact that this state is notable for having lots of places called "X Dales" (and I can't find any evidence that they have) then this is pure trivia -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:32, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

So either

-- your position is that information demonstrably useful to an occasional user, which by luck a couple editors take an interest in, should be discarded if we don't the editor-power to provide the equivalent for all parallel cases ("until everybody eats, everybody starves") OR

-- you haven't grasped the fact that something-Dale, Va. has the luck

-- that Virginia and Dale are common enuf given and sur-names respectively, that someone bothered to see that Dale, Virginia may get entered in search of the famous actor, and

-- that (in light of WP:PAPER even if this is less in demand), there's insignificant cost to adding a bit more content so that someone who says "Damn, was it Avon Dale, Farthing Dale, or what?" doesn't have to figure out how make a vanilla search endurable.

--Jerzy•t 03:38, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I may have undercut the effectiveness of this discussion by declining to stay engaged head-on with the underlying dispute:

1. The creator of the former Dab "Dale, Virginia" (whose Dab-content i pulled, renaming the rest as Places in Virginia with names involving "Dale" (not the nominated article) wanted its first entry to be

   * Virginia Dale (1917–1994), American film actress

   and the succeeding entries to be several places in Virginia similar to the W.Va. ones in Places in West Virginia with names involving "Dale"

2. Once i looked, and learned that Smith, John is a redirect, i had no more problem with having a "Dale, Virginia" page.
3. However,

   a. the creator is committed to defying Mos:dab#Partial title matches by putting at least some of the place-names above the Mos:dab#"See also" section, and

   b. even putting them all below "See also" would preclude the kind of guidance that can be provided via the AfD'd article. ("The dog that wags" the nom'd article, namely Places in Virginia with names involving "Dale", is more significant. But is free of the subtlety of there being "places that were once in Virginia, haven't moved, and still exist, but are no longer in Va.")
   --Jerzy•t 03:38, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
   

• Keep, for reasons stated in my preceding responses. (I dunno whether this could or should affect your choice: If either of the two SIA's is deleted, the underlying problem won't go away, and either i or the creator of the Dab will eventually jam 2 or 3 pages into one, tagged {{Disambig-CU}}, and take it to for a solution.)--— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jerzy (talk • contribs) 03:38, 18 August 2013‎

Note: This debate has been included in the list of West Virginia-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 15:54, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 15:54, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 15:54, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong Dale-ete per nom. There are an infinite number of arbitrary criteria for lists, e.g. Places in West Virginia with names with three vowels. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:56, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Not ambiguous, notable or useful. Theoldsparkle (talk) 13:45, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.