Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Piantadino

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The result was keep per WP:HEY. Good rescue by Dr. Blofeld et al. Bearian (talk) 02:28, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Piantadino

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Non-notable film. Only information to be found are various almost empty listings at all the usual places (IMDB, etc) WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 20:28, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and expand Really? a]The article could be expanded with info about the original comic strip. b] The film is also notable, being directed by Mugica and starring Pepe Iglesias, a popular Argentine comedian and written by Carlos A. Petit who was amongst one of Argentine cinema's all time great screenwriters. Information about a film from Argentina form 1950 online is inevitably going to be poor but the sources currently used are sufficient for it to pass notability requirements. It would be best to expand it with information about the comic and film in a single article I think..♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:15, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Really. The sources you've found indicate that the film existed. Nothing much more. The comic strip may have had notability; the film does not appear to have. The article had remained a stub for over 4 years. It wasn't going anywhere. (I don't believe that the various historical references you've provided, that list the film as "a film made in Argentina in 1950" really help the notability issue all that much.) WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 21:44, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - Has it not occurred to you that 1950 Argentine films do not have masses of material floating around on the Internet? What makes you think it is non notable?♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:51, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Blofeld. Appears to be a major Argentinian film. An equivalent American comedy from the same period, say Pat and Mike, wouldn't even have been nominated. —Chowbok ☠ 23:57, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Following the excellent expansion work. Lugnuts (talk) 07:37, 6 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Dr Blofeld has indeed done quite a bit to expand the article; mostly with information about the comic, not information about the film. If you check his sources, they all appear to be entries in various directories of Argentine film. I don't see a single piece of significant coverage for this film. Admittedly, the film is 60 years old, and sources may be hard to find, but in the absence of any, I still don't see how this film qualifies for inclusion. Perhaps it should be reborn as a film about the comic strip instead, with a mention of the film in a "Related media" section. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 11:33, 6 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Even if the comic was more notable than the film its still a valid subject. I know more about Argentine cinema than anybody on wikipedia and whilst I've never seen the film I do know that the director, writer and main star are very notable figures in Argentine cinema which would indicate its notable. Try researching any 1950 Argentine movie online or google books and the amount of solid sources you'll find will be the same. Does that mean that Argentine never produced a notable movie in this period? Or are we faced with the extreme uneveness of web resources? OK lets try Arrabalera (1950) starring Tita Merello, one of the biggest tango stars of Argentina and the directorial debut off Tulio Demicheli, another of the top Argentine directors. turns up similar type sources. Lets try Así es el tango from 1937, a major tango production also starring Tita Merello. Barely anything at all. So the films are non notable? You're wrong, these were major films in Argentina.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:37, 6 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The expansion with sources shows that both the comic strip and the movie are notable. They could have separate articles, but there is no problem with having one article that discusses representations of Adolfo Mazzone's character in both media. Aymatth2 (talk) 16:14, 6 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:23, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The current title is suitable for a treatment of named character, film, and comic series, with the comic series being sourced more than adequately, and at this time best of the three. "empty listings" is a misrepresentation and this continues ("I don't see a single piece of significant coverage"), with raising of the bar ("absence of any"). Anarchangel (talk) 09:46, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Notability in Argentina for a 1950s pre-Wikipedia pre-internet topic is perfectly fine for en.WIkipedia. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 16:38, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.