Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Penny Budoff

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 03:08, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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non-notable researcher who fails WP:GNG. only indication of notability is a paid obituary in The New York Times. Google reveals very little. She is cited several times on various newspapers, but nothing specifically about her. Therapyisgood (talk) 02:13, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. She formulates the first multivitamin for women and pioneers mefenamic acid as a treatment for dysmenorrhea and she's not notable? This article is in a bad state, but the sources will be out there. I suspect many of them are in print, given that she was appearing in them in the 1970s and 1980s, and thus a little harder to google. But Google did turn up this WashPo article, and here's The Boston Globe with a similar one. This article isn't extended coverage, but does explain why she's notable. Her books have Kirkus reviews, which also describe her as widely known: here's No More Menstrual Cramps and here's No More Hot Flashes. I'm sure there's more (this was just a fifteen-minute search), but I also think this is already enough. -- asilvering (talk) 06:41, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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• Keep. Although reviews are relatively difficult to find on older books, at least one of her books spent some time on the NYTimes bestseller list [1], and it seems likely that reviews exist for WP:NAUTHOR. The Washington Post article is a substantial profile of her [2]. The Center for the History of Family Medicine holds some of her collected papers [3], and in its index has a profile on her (this doesn't appear to be so selective, but it is at least presumably a reliable source). The NYTimes also has moderate coverage of her, her research, and her health center [4][5][6]. There is an Encyclopedia.com article on her [7] -- uncertain if that meets WP:BASIC. (Aside that I am concerned however that certain parts of the current article here may be a copyvio of their article.) Overall, WP:NAUTHOR looks likely, and I think this might be an example of WP:NPROF C7 with the outreach of medical knowledge to the general public. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 17:22, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep after copyvio removed. Unfortunately the research section is an unambiguous copyvio of https://www.jstor.org/stable/25793024, so I've tagged it for G12. Strikethrough indicates different text found in the original journal article:

Dr. Penny Wise Budoff of the Stony Brook medical school in New York found that mMefenamic acid (Postel) produced significant relief from pain, nausea, and diarrhea in 44 women with debilitating menstrual cramps (spasmodic dysmenorrhea). ...
For years the standard treatment for women with severe menstrual problems has been to put them on oral contraceptives. Dr. Budoff questioned the necessity for taking "21 days of birth control pills to get 24 hours of relief from pain." Reasoning She reasoned that a drug which inhibits prostaglandin synthesis or interferes with the prostaglandin receptors would stop the cramps,. Dr. Budoff approached Warner Lambert with a proposal to test Ponstel (already marketed for treating arthritis pain), which was already on the market for treating arthritis pain, against menstrual cramps. ... The pilot study results were impressive enough that the company finally funded a larger clinical study.

Good catch on the copyvio! I removed the major copyvio you flagged, together with some anyway-less-notable material that looked to be copied from encyclopedia.com, and requested revdel. I think I got it all -- in the article history, the problematic material seems to have been introduced by users Gidget92 and Femmelady. Take a look. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 21:50, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, I came to the same conclusion regarding provenance and left warnings on their talk pages, although neither has edited since the date the copyvios were introduced. JoelleJay (talk) 21:55, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - The subject's books, medical work and awards show notability. I cleaned up the article some but it could use more work. But that does not detract from the subject's work, which has been cited in the Washington Post, New York Times, American Medical Association and New England Journal of Medicine, all of which confirm notability. Clearly passes WP:GNG and meets both WP:BASIC and WP:NAUTHOR. -AuthorAuthor (talk) 07:30, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Per above. WestCD (talk) 03:52, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep seem to meet WP:NAUTHOR. WP:DINC. -Kj cheetham (talk) 09:41, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per above passes WP:NAUTHOR.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 11:55, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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