Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Patsy (Monty Python) (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep - jc37 07:42, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Patsy (Monty Python)

Please do note: An editor looking over the revision history of this page will note that the number of revisions does not correspond to the number of users participating. This is because of an instance of the first nomination of this article for deletion was overwritten by this one by mistake, and the two had to be separated. Thank you for your understanding. -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 05:00, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Patsy, the minor character from the movie Monty Python and the Holy Grail, has zero notability outside of the movie, has no references, and so is just duplicative of the plot section in the movie article. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 20:19, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep You might want to read it again. You missed "In the 2005 musical, Spamalot, Patsy has a bigger role...." DPCU (talk) 20:56, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep/Merge. Per WP:FICT minor characters that don't warrant their own entry can be combined into lists to establish notability within a context. - Mgm|^(talk) 22:58, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
He's not notable. We delete non-notable things. *Clips clops off into the distance* I (talk) 23:36, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete -- no reliable sources; not notable. -- Myke Cuthbert (talk) 00:40, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep One of the three major characters in a major Broadway play, as mentioned above. • Lawrence Cohen 06:38, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

He is not one of three major characters. And even if he was, he still needs sources. I see no sources proving he is notable. I (talk) 08:09, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete No secondary sources to establish notability or provide real world context. Importance to the fictional work is not relevant to this discussion. Jay32183 (talk) 21:40, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, Patsy is not well covered in the original article about the movie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.104.9.169 (talk) 03:55, 21 November 2007 (UTC) — 71.104.9.169 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Delete no out of world notability, no sources. Bigdaddy1981 (talk) 05:12, 22 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to the movie. --Lenin and McCarthy | (Complain here) 05:10, 24 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 04:35, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Per the above. Sourcing issues, and no real world notability. - Rjd0060 (talk) 04:56, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep, not so important in the film, but a more important character in the musical. I think it just barely crosses the threshold. Lankiveil (talk) 07:09, 25 November 2007 (UTC).[reply]
Delete bigger role than the one line he had in the movie? Doesn't say much. If there was something to show that he is one of the LEAD roles, then I might be inclined to accept it, but as is, it is not notable.Balloonman (talk) 08:28, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I've not seen the show but the character seems more notable there, e.g.Standouts in the talented cast included ... Jeff Dumas as Arthur's long-suffering sidekick, Patsy. Colonel Warden (talk) 09:15, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I've added nine sources. The role of Patsy is larger in Spamalot, he has more lines and sings. Real world notability: Michael McGrath played Patsy in the original production, and he was nominated for a Tony Award for Best Featured Actor in a Musical. Bláthnaid 11:07, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Added sources establish notability. Hammer1980·^talk 11:33, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How? The articles are all about the musical itself, and only briefly mention Patsy, they are not coverage of the character himself. I (talk) 17:21, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep enough coverage to deserve an article. Hut 8.5 13:54, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, apparently has a major role in the musical, Gilliam's main role in the film, well sourced, written from a real world perspective (more fictional character articles should be like this one). 96T (talk) 14:38, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.